The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

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Serafín wrote:The correction of [e] > [e:] makes sense only if we're talking about imitating 1st century BC Latin, but then [aI] > [aj] can hardly be argued for...
Doh, do I have to spell it out - it's not a correction on the pronunciation, but on the transcription; I was pointing out it's very English-y to use [aI] for ae instead of [ai] or [aj], regardless of what it was, which in this case is even hardly relevant as somebody pointed out.

It's like if I changed color to colour on grounds of color being too American for somebody who tried to be British.

The length thing was a genuine correction but also intended nitpickish.

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I'd be inclined to say ['vi:naɪ 'ka:vaɪ], but only because I got into the habit of pronouncing Latin <ae> as [aɪ] when learning.

Incidentally, I'd say Aeneas [aɪ'neɪja:s] rather than [ɛ'ni:əs], and Laocoon as [ˌla:ʔoʊ'kɔ:ʔɔ:n], not ['leɪjəˌkʉ:n] :D
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Rekettye wrote:I'd be inclined to say ['vi:naɪ 'ka:vaɪ], but only because I got into the habit of pronouncing Latin <ae> as [aɪ] when learning.

Incidentally, I'd say Aeneas [aɪ'neɪja:s] rather than [ɛ'ni:əs], and Laocoon as [ˌla:ʔoʊ'kɔ:ʔɔ:n], not ['leɪjəˌkʉ:n] :D
Is this just for venae because it's a bit uncommon or you'd also say it for hominidae, algae, antennae, ... (well, I doubt these are very common, but there must be something)?

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Ean wrote:Is this just for venae because it's a bit uncommon or you'd also say it for hominidae, algae, antennae, ... (well, I doubt these are very common, but there must be something)?
Hmm I think I'd say [aɪ] in nearly all cases, except ['algi] for some reason. For <antennae> I'd say [an'tɛnaɪ]. But in that case it's actually standard BrE to say [aɪ], I think...
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hominidae, algae, antennae
[ˈhɒ.mɪ.nə.dɛi ˈæɫ.gɪi æn.ˈtʰɛ.nə]

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xD, quite a variety of possibilities. I guess that happens when your language is such a vowel weirdo and compulsive borrower.

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Hominidae I'm not sure about, so it's a guess really. That also happens in English, come across a word you've never heard before with a weird spelling and coming up with something you think might be viable. :mrgreen:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
(Serafíng, note the long [i:])

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Ean wrote:How do you say venae cavae?
['we.naɪ 'ka.waɪ]
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That's [kawaˈiːːːː], though :p

It's worth noting that the Japanese would transcribe it as アエ. They did with a recent film called 'Thermae Romae', or テルマエ・ロマエ. Of course, this is just based on the spelling, but Japanese is one of the few languages I know that distinguishes the diphthongs /ae/ and /ai/ (phonologically it's easier and more accurate to say they are separate vowels rather than diphthongs, but still).

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Rekettye wrote:...and Laocoon as [ˌla:ʔoʊ'kɔ:ʔɔ:n], not ['leɪjəˌkʉ:n]
A small piece of me dies knowing that there are people pronouncing it ['leɪjəˌkʉ:n] out there... :cry:

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Ean wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
(Serafíng, note the long [i:])
Nah, it's Wikipedia, they change their conventions every now and then. They used to do "" and "[ɪ]" in the past. I guess some user pointed out that there's no minimal pair between the FLEECE and the HAPPY sets that doesn't involve stress as well, so they've started writing them the same.

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Some of their conventions annoy me – like they use ɨ as a symbol to mean "ɪ or ə depending on the dialect", but this leads to people thinking English has [ɨ]... I'd never seen anyone else use it at all before Wikipedia.

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I transcribe my own 'short i sound' using that symbol; but I suppose it's not the same thing if it's self-description.

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Just because I'm curious:

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Alahithian [æləhɪθi.ən]

Gnoughish [noːɪʃ]
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ol bofosh wrote:Alahithian
Gnoughish
[a.la.'hi.Tjan]
['no.wiS]

(That's how I read it with my Spanish mind :P)

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ol bofosh wrote:Just because I'm curious:

Alahithian
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[æ.lə.hi͡ɪ̯.tʃən]
[no͡ʊ̯.ɪʃ]
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Alahithian [ælə'hɪθiən]
Gnoughish ['noʊ(g)ɪʃ]

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[aɫə'hɪθiən], ['nɔ̜ːfɪʃ]
Low Pr. kalbeken < Lith. kalbėti
Lith. sūris = cheese, Fr. souris = mouse... o_O

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Alahithian [æɫəhɨθiɨn]
Gnoughish [nʌw(g)ɨʃ]

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L'alphabētarium wrote:A small piece of me dies knowing that there are people pronouncing it ['leɪjəˌkʉ:n] out there... :cry:
That wasn't quite the worst thing I heard in my school days - I think the worst ever was the Polish surname Wojnicki pronounced [wɔːdʒʲnɪ̈ɣ̞ɪ].

What about:
garage ['gaɹɪ̈dʒ] (probably been done before)
mirror [mɹ̩ːː↗]
a(n) historic occasion [ə nɪsː'tɔɹɪ̈k ə'kiəʒn̩]
the superfluity of naughtiness [ðə ˌsʊ̈ˀpɹ̩ˈflʉəɾɪ̈ əv ˈnɔːɾinəs]
Low Pr. kalbeken < Lith. kalbėti
Lith. sūris = cheese, Fr. souris = mouse... o_O

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finlay wrote:Some of their conventions annoy me – like they use ɨ as a symbol to mean "ɪ or ə depending on the dialect", but this leads to people thinking English has [ɨ]... I'd never seen anyone else use it at all before Wikipedia.
Umm... does English not have a near-close [ɨ] as an unstressed allophone of /ɪ/, also known as a schwi? Yes, it may not be perfectly central in all cases, but it is still significantly more central than the stressed [ɪ].
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Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
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Rekettye wrote:mirror [mɹ̩ːː↗]
Mrr? Are you sure you've transcribed that correctly?

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Travis B. wrote:
finlay wrote:Some of their conventions annoy me – like they use ɨ as a symbol to mean "ɪ or ə depending on the dialect", but this leads to people thinking English has [ɨ]... I'd never seen anyone else use it at all before Wikipedia.
Umm... does English not have a near-close [ɨ] as an unstressed allophone of /ɪ/, also known as a schwi? Yes, it may not be perfectly central in all cases, but it is still significantly more central than the stressed [ɪ].
could do, not for me though. that said sometimes scottish /ɪ/ is very centralised anyway, but that's when it's stressed too. also i've kinda lost that particular feature.

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/aləˈhɪθiən/, /ˈnaʊ.ɪʃ/

[ˈgaˑɹədʒ], [ˈmɪɻə(˞)]

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