Who among you is within this isogloss?
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Who among you is within this isogloss?
[Autobiographical details: I was born in Philadelphia in 1968; have lived in Virginia since the early '70s, but stubbornly resisted Southernisms ever since. When I found out that I was saying 'lightning bugs' instead of 'fireflies', I immediately reverted to the latter.]
These are items of my idiolect that are purely reflexive and un-self-conscious ... until I find other people saying them differently.
The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'
Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]
The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'
The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')
The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged'
There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different
These are items of my idiolect that are purely reflexive and un-self-conscious ... until I find other people saying them differently.
The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'
Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]
The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'
The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')
The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged'
There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
'Aunt' rhymes with 'font'
'Father' rhymes with 'bother'
No distinction between 'cot' and 'caught' (I've been trying to get into the habit of pronouncing them [kat] and [kawt], but have no idea what the historical distinction actually is)
'When' is distinct from 'wen' (Googling for the etymology of 'wen', BTW, I discovered that a word meaning 'sebaceous cyst' has been adopted for a line of hair-care products! LOL)
'Father' rhymes with 'bother'
No distinction between 'cot' and 'caught' (I've been trying to get into the habit of pronouncing them [kat] and [kawt], but have no idea what the historical distinction actually is)
'When' is distinct from 'wen' (Googling for the etymology of 'wen', BTW, I discovered that a word meaning 'sebaceous cyst' has been adopted for a line of hair-care products! LOL)
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probablyIa-Itundhoar wrote:The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; the p.t. of 'spit' (poke a stick through') is 'spitted'
yes but literaryThe p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
isn't this the case everywhere in America?The p.t. of 'light' is 'lit'
noThere is a clear distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry' (which sound alike) and 'merry'
either is fine for meDifferent "from" rather than different "than"
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
also are they potato bugs or roly-polies
(I'm from Maryland and hear both, just like with 'fireflies' vs 'lightning bugs', but in both cases I'd only say the former since the latter are too low-register, like saying 'put it up' instead of 'put it away')
(I'm from Maryland and hear both, just like with 'fireflies' vs 'lightning bugs', but in both cases I'd only say the former since the latter are too low-register, like saying 'put it up' instead of 'put it away')
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Roly-pollies is the only name I've ever heard for them.
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
Strange. I've never been to the USA, but all of those are part of my idiolect, except the following:
all three of which are different, and I never say "different than".Ia-Itundhoar wrote:There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
yeah you are basically British except for that Mary-Marry merger
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
Sometimes, but only if I'm being fairly formal.The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'
No.Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]
...There's another past tense of "light"?The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'
I'm completely inconsistent between "awakened" and "awoke" so I just try to avoid the word.The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
Yes.There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')
Yes. "Hun" as pt of "hanging a person" bothers me. A lot.The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged'
No--I pronounce all three as homophones. I also pronounce and/end and since/sense as homophones, with /ɛ/ in all of them--unless I'm speaking very carefully. Also in "milk."There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'
Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]
The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'
The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')
The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged hung'
There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry',but 'merry' is distinctly different the same
Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]
The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'
The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')
The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is '
There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry',
Either one, I think. I don't hear talk of them much, so I couldn't say.Nortaneous wrote:also are they potato bugs or roly-polies
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Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
*cringes*ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hangedhung'
Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
Unfortunately, this is not often the caseObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hangedhung'
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"ObsequiousNewt has hung that monument of masculinity, the king himself!" Are you sure this sounds grammatical to you?ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hangedhung'
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What? That's what I hear.KathAveara wrote:*cringes*ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hangedhung'
(EDIT: Okay, so sue me. Also, I wouldn't hang the king.)
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Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
Anyone familiar with these? (They're randomly selected, but I think they're vaguely Midwest-ish features.)
- "off of" instead of merely "off".
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.)
- this hilarious mondegreen
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag"
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength"
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded")
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where.
- "off of" instead of merely "off".
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.)
- this hilarious mondegreen
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag"
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength"
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded")
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where.
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Rhetorica wrote:Anyone familiar with these? (They're randomly selected, but I think they're vaguely Midwest-ish features.)
- "off of" instead of merely "off".
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.)
- this hilarious mondegreen
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag"
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength"
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded")
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where.
- I have pick it up off the table but get off of it! Not sure how to call this one.
- Definitely have. I just realized this is why hearing Luke in Empire Strikes Back say "R2! Where are you?" sounds a little off.
- thankfully no
- most definitely.
- nope.
- nope.
- only as mock emphasis.
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- "off of" instead of merely "off". yes
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.) no
- this hilarious mondegreen no, I say "dresser"
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag" only if I'm tongue-tied
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength" no, although if I keep studying German I might develop this
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded") no
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where. no
"Midwest" ha.
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.) no
- this hilarious mondegreen no, I say "dresser"
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag" only if I'm tongue-tied
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength" no, although if I keep studying German I might develop this
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded") no
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where. no
"Midwest" ha.
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Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
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as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
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I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Yes, although I don't think that "off of" really appears in other circumstances for anyone. (Frankly, can anyone provide an example of "off" used as an independent preposition?)Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
It'd probably prove useful to point out that Drydic is from Idaho.
Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
Having any word at all for "spitted" pretty much makes you a Southerner, sorry.
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
No. You suggest something intriguing.Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSerafín wrote:It'd probably prove useful to point out that Drydic is from Idaho.
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Re: Who among you is within this isogloss?
I believe he's referring to "lighted".Zaarin wrote:...There's another past tense of "light"?
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"off of" just sounds to me like a higher-register version of "off", i'd say either, probably more likely "off"
don't have anything else in that isogloss
don't have anything else in that isogloss
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I took the money off the tableObsequiousNewt wrote:Yes, although I don't think that "off of" really appears in other circumstances for anyone. (Frankly, can anyone provide an example of "off" used as an independent preposition?)Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
I nicked the money off my friend
I lived off the money for a year
I lived off the land for a year
Get off my land! (this one is borderline - for me, 'get off' is a phrasal verb here, but some people have 'get' as a verb meaning 'to leave', in which case this is transparent verb plus preposition)
We scored off their corner
He made his money off insider trading
He chipped a corner off the block of stone
He knocked the vase off the table
They make money off the suffering of the poor
The ball bounced off the wall
'Off of'-ers, do you have 'off of' for all the above?
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Yes, although I'm more likely to use "from" for several of those.Salmoneus wrote:I took the money off the tableObsequiousNewt wrote:Yes, although I don't think that "off of" really appears in other circumstances for anyone. (Frankly, can anyone provide an example of "off" used as an independent preposition?)Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
I nicked the money off my friend
I lived off the money for a year
I lived off the land for a year
Get off my land! (this one is borderline - for me, 'get off' is a phrasal verb here, but some people have 'get' as a verb meaning 'to leave', in which case this is transparent verb plus preposition)
We scored off their corner
He made his money off insider trading
He chipped a corner off the block of stone
He knocked the vase off the table
They make money off the suffering of the poor
The ball bounced off the wall
'Off of'-ers, do you have 'off of' for all the above?
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Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.