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[Autobiographical details: I was born in Philadelphia in 1968; have lived in Virginia since the early '70s, but stubbornly resisted Southernisms ever since. When I found out that I was saying 'lightning bugs' instead of 'fireflies', I immediately reverted to the latter.]

These are items of my idiolect that are purely reflexive and un-self-conscious ... until I find other people saying them differently.

The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'

Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]

The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'

The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'

There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')

The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged'

There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different

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'Aunt' rhymes with 'font'

'Father' rhymes with 'bother'

No distinction between 'cot' and 'caught' (I've been trying to get into the habit of pronouncing them [kat] and [kawt], but have no idea what the historical distinction actually is)

'When' is distinct from 'wen' (Googling for the etymology of 'wen', BTW, I discovered that a word meaning 'sebaceous cyst' has been adopted for a line of hair-care products! LOL)
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Ia-Itundhoar wrote:The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; the p.t. of 'spit' (poke a stick through') is 'spitted'
probably
The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
yes but literary
The p.t. of 'light' is 'lit'
isn't this the case everywhere in America?
There is a clear distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry' (which sound alike) and 'merry'
no
Different "from" rather than different "than"
either is fine for me
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also are they potato bugs or roly-polies

(I'm from Maryland and hear both, just like with 'fireflies' vs 'lightning bugs', but in both cases I'd only say the former since the latter are too low-register, like saying 'put it up' instead of 'put it away')
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Roly-pollies is the only name I've ever heard for them.
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Strange. I've never been to the USA, but all of those are part of my idiolect, except the following:
Ia-Itundhoar wrote:There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different
all three of which are different, and I never say "different than".
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yeah you are basically British except for that Mary-Marry merger
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The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'
Sometimes, but only if I'm being fairly formal.
Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]
No.
The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'
...There's another past tense of "light"? :?
The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'
I'm completely inconsistent between "awakened" and "awoke" so I just try to avoid the word. ;)
There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')
Yes.
The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged'
Yes. "Hun" as pt of "hanging a person" bothers me. A lot.
There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different
No--I pronounce all three as homophones. I also pronounce and/end and since/sense as homophones, with /ɛ/ in all of them--unless I'm speaking very carefully. Also in "milk."
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The past tense of 'spit' (expectorate) is 'spat'; that of 'spit' (poke a stick through) is 'spitted'

Different 'from' vs. different 'than' ['than' is restricted to differences of degree, not kind]

The past tense of 'light' is 'lit'

The p.t. of 'awaken' is 'awoke'

There is a difference between the intransitive 'lie' (p.t. 'lay') and the transitive 'lay' (p.t. 'laid')

The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged hung'

There is no audible distinction between 'Mary' and 'marry', but 'merry' is distinctly different the same
Nortaneous wrote:also are they potato bugs or roly-polies
Either one, I think. I don't hear talk of them much, so I couldn't say.


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ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged hung'
*cringes*

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ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged hung'
Unfortunately, this is not often the case :(

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ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged hung'
"ObsequiousNewt has hung that monument of masculinity, the king himself!" Are you sure this sounds grammatical to you?

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KathAveara wrote:
ObsequiousNewt wrote:The p.t. of 'hang [a man]' is 'hanged hung'
*cringes*
What? That's what I hear.

(EDIT: Okay, so sue me. Also, I wouldn't hang the king.)


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Anyone familiar with these? (They're randomly selected, but I think they're vaguely Midwest-ish features.)

- "off of" instead of merely "off".
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.)
- this hilarious mondegreen
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag"
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength"
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded")
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where.

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Rhetorica wrote:Anyone familiar with these? (They're randomly selected, but I think they're vaguely Midwest-ish features.)

- "off of" instead of merely "off".
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.)
- this hilarious mondegreen
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag"
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength"
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded")
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where.
  • I have pick it up off the table but get off of it! Not sure how to call this one.
  • Definitely have. I just realized this is why hearing Luke in Empire Strikes Back say "R2! Where are you?" sounds a little off.
  • thankfully no :)
  • most definitely.
  • nope.
  • nope.
  • only as mock emphasis.
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- "off of" instead of merely "off". yes
- Finishing all "where" questions with "at": "Where are you at?" (It's not just ebonics: I've heard upper-class white people say this.) no
- this hilarious mondegreen no, I say "dresser"
- novel p.t. "drug" for "drag" only if I'm tongue-tied
- /ʃ/ at the start of "str", e.g. "shtrength" no, although if I keep studying German I might develop this
- superfluous /d/ at the end of "drown" (so that the p.t. sounds liked "drownded") no
- /iːŋ/ for /ɪŋ/ at the end of words (with added stress), which I think is a west-coast thing but I'm not sure where. no

"Midwest" ha.


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May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
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Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
Yes, although I don't think that "off of" really appears in other circumstances for anyone. (Frankly, can anyone provide an example of "off" used as an independent preposition?)


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Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.

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It'd probably prove useful to point out that Drydic is from Idaho.

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Having any word at all for "spitted" pretty much makes you a Southerner, sorry.

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Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
No. You suggest something intriguing.
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Zaarin wrote:...There's another past tense of "light"? :?
I believe he's referring to "lighted".

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"off of" just sounds to me like a higher-register version of "off", i'd say either, probably more likely "off"

don't have anything else in that isogloss
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ObsequiousNewt wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
Yes, although I don't think that "off of" really appears in other circumstances for anyone. (Frankly, can anyone provide an example of "off" used as an independent preposition?)
I took the money off the table
I nicked the money off my friend
I lived off the money for a year
I lived off the land for a year
Get off my land! (this one is borderline - for me, 'get off' is a phrasal verb here, but some people have 'get' as a verb meaning 'to leave', in which case this is transparent verb plus preposition)
We scored off their corner
He made his money off insider trading
He chipped a corner off the block of stone
He knocked the vase off the table
They make money off the suffering of the poor
The ball bounced off the wall

'Off of'-ers, do you have 'off of' for all the above?
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Salmoneus wrote:
ObsequiousNewt wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:May be that you're reanalysing (quite sensibly) 'get off' as a verb in itself, requiring another preposition? Do you also have "get on to the bus" (vs 'get on the bus')?
Yes, although I don't think that "off of" really appears in other circumstances for anyone. (Frankly, can anyone provide an example of "off" used as an independent preposition?)
I took the money off the table
I nicked the money off my friend
I lived off the money for a year
I lived off the land for a year
Get off my land! (this one is borderline - for me, 'get off' is a phrasal verb here, but some people have 'get' as a verb meaning 'to leave', in which case this is transparent verb plus preposition)
We scored off their corner
He made his money off insider trading
He chipped a corner off the block of stone
He knocked the vase off the table
They make money off the suffering of the poor
The ball bounced off the wall

'Off of'-ers, do you have 'off of' for all the above?
Yes, although I'm more likely to use "from" for several of those.


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