I'm not so sure. The emphatic use is quite common IMD and is found in the King James Bible, e.g. "I can of my own self do nothing" (John 5:30).Nessari wrote:"Go get your own _____!"Theta wrote:'He his own self was the sole winner of the contest'
nah
Types of phrases are quite clearly where it genesis'd from.
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I wonder if words ending in clusters/single stops that would result in a larger cluster from -d are more likely to be spontaneously given a new past tense form. Like, Chagen's example scrape ends in p and pt is a little bit difficult to say so would this change be more likely as opposed to a word like, say, 'to crane'?
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I suspect it has more to do with which irregulars sound similar enough to interfere. I've definitely heard "bring/brang/brung" despite no final cluster or stop, and I could imagine "crone" as an accidental past tense for "crane", whereas "roped" and "helped" end in the same /pt/ cluster as "scraped", but I can't think of what novel past form would go well with either of those.Theta wrote:I wonder if words ending in clusters/single stops that would result in a larger cluster from -d are more likely to be spontaneously given a new past tense form. Like, Chagen's example scrape ends in p and pt is a little bit difficult to say so would this change be more likely as opposed to a word like, say, 'to crane'?
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I hear holp is actually attested (as a possibly-novel form).gmalivuk wrote:I suspect it has more to do with which irregulars sound similar enough to interfere. I've definitely heard "bring/brang/brung" despite no final cluster or stop, and I could imagine "crone" as an accidental past tense for "crane", whereas "roped" and "helped" end in the same /pt/ cluster as "scraped", but I can't think of what novel past form would go well with either of those.Theta wrote:I wonder if words ending in clusters/single stops that would result in a larger cluster from -d are more likely to be spontaneously given a new past tense form. Like, Chagen's example scrape ends in p and pt is a little bit difficult to say so would this change be more likely as opposed to a word like, say, 'to crane'?
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That's archaic.
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Still answers the question.
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Okay, so bad example. Point is there are plenty of -p words that would be hard to irregularize because there aren't similar-sounding irregular verbs to start with. Ones that likewise have /o/ as the vowel:
rope, hope, dope, mope, cope, soap, etc.
rope, hope, dope, mope, cope, soap, etc.
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L2:
"play with it around" (play around with it)
"take a before-and-after photo" (take a photo before and after)
"make a pause" (take a break)
"play with it around" (play around with it)
"take a before-and-after photo" (take a photo before and after)
"make a pause" (take a break)
It was about time I changed this.
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?
tontea con eso
échale una foto antes y después
tómate un descanso
tontea con eso
échale una foto antes y después
tómate un descanso
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That's not innovative, you're just that far behind the world of photography that you haven't discovered this is A Thing yet. :pol bofosh wrote:"take a before-and-after photo" (take a photo before and after)
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I'm behind a lot of things technological. I've not even touched an iphone or ipad. My nephew looked at my phone the other day and said "It has such a small screen, it doesn't look like a real phone." Yes, thank you. I remember the days when phones bigger than mine were called "bricks".
Thanks for pointing out that I'm a good old-fashioned cavernícola.
Thanks for pointing out that I'm a good old-fashioned cavernícola.
It was about time I changed this.
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estás hecho un carca, tío
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Palabra del día, gracias.Thry wrote:estás hecho un carca, tío
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Remember the days when phones didn't even have screens?ol bofosh wrote:I'm behind a lot of things technological. I've not even touched an iphone or ipad. My nephew looked at my phone the other day and said "It has such a small screen, it doesn't look like a real phone." Yes, thank you. I remember the days when phones bigger than mine were called "bricks".
(Second Astraios on the "before-and-after photo" is not innovative, btw)
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Why would a phone have a screen? It'd get in the way of the number pad and the handset...not to mention it'd probably need a dedicated power cord.Rui wrote:Remember the days when phones didn't even have screens?ol bofosh wrote:I'm behind a lot of things technological. I've not even touched an iphone or ipad. My nephew looked at my phone the other day and said "It has such a small screen, it doesn't look like a real phone." Yes, thank you. I remember the days when phones bigger than mine were called "bricks".
(Second Astraios on the "before-and-after photo" is not innovative, btw)
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De gracias nada, apoquina. [y con eso supongo que va otra palabra del día xD]ol bofosh wrote:Palabra del día, gracias.Thry wrote:estás hecho un carca, tío
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Okay, do you take pebble tokens or goats?
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Let's settle this for 2 goats + your firstborn [in Sp, primogénito].
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carcaol bofosh wrote:Palabra del día, gracias.Thry wrote:estás hecho un carca, tío
19th century; from Spanish carca, short form of carcunda "reactionary", from Galician-Portuguese carcunda, corcunda "mean, stingy", alteration of corcova "hump; hunchback", from Late Latin cucurvus "curved, crooked".
1 Carline from the 19th century Spanish civil wars.
2 Absolutist, withdrawn in its own religious and political ideas.
3 A person of reactionary ideas.
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.
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"from Spanish"? AHA, you took that from a Catalan dictionary. PILLADO """in fraganti""".
[the punishment is being subject to w/e carcas want to do to you, probably fusilation]... and I'll take your goats too.
[the punishment is being subject to w/e carcas want to do to you, probably fusilation]... and I'll take your goats too.
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*The Drunkenjunta rejects your motion*Thry wrote:"from Spanish"? AHA, you took that from a Catalan dictionary. PILLADO """in fraganti""".
[the punishment is being subject to w/e carcas want to do to you, probably fusilation]... and I'll take your goats too.
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.
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One goat and I'll throw in half a dozen chicken for free. Final offer.Thry wrote:Let's settle this for 2 goats + your firstborn [in Sp, primogénito].
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You cannot dodge my bullets drunk, now can you!Izambri wrote:*The Drunkenjunta rejects your motion*
Fine, as long as one of those chicken lays golden eggs and knows how to sing una jota de su tierra aragonesa.ol bofosh wrote:One goat and I'll throw in half a dozen chicken for free. Final offer.
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I'm sure people would say that phrase around here, though not as a complete sentence. "You can see you have been defeated." is definitely grammatical to me. "You can see you are about to run out of time." "You can see you will win shortly." On the other hand "you can see yourself" or "you can see for yourself" can't have the "yourself" replaced with "you".Serafín wrote:But would you accept "you can definitely see you" as grammatical, Nessari?
It seems like most of the innovative usages I encounter I read on the internet before I hear them in real life. "That is happy-making!" "If you make a video game with anthro characters of course people will want to cyber in it, because furries." And Doge-speak, which is melodramatic faux Engrish that almost always includes "Wow!", number disagreement, referring to oneself in the third person, and using adverbs where adjectives would be expected and adjectives where adverbs would be expected: "Many question! Such confuze! Wow! Doge has no idea what do! Very headache! You is help? Doge begging!"
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Doge-speak? Is that the term for the new dog version of lolcat?
Also, where (what sites) is that being used? (I've only seen ONE reference to "talking like a puppy" so far on facebook, just last week...)
Also, where (what sites) is that being used? (I've only seen ONE reference to "talking like a puppy" so far on facebook, just last week...)