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Re: Guess the Language, anyone?

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Alright this is my final guess but I'm going to say Cuitlatec since it has the voiceless lateral fricative and /kw/. If it's not this then I'm beat.

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Chontal?
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
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It's not Zuni is it?
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Nesescosac wrote:Chontal?
Which Chontal do you mean?

And no it is not Cuitlatec or Zuni.

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Highland.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Correct! Well done.

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Ai doa néngam wevtinéngandm. Simba eunumbulva wulvhoavoi. Doa néngandomana vev.

Wo nómba pomba kleihalsaivnamba paiv mendeklina. Venamba di mera masinda merava diva samblamóngó woseina nómba pomba umharavhó vrévpa.
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I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Nobody at all? Fair enough. I was asked if it was South American or Niger-Congo, and I can tell you it's neither of those.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Looks like hiw to me.
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Bantoid?
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Nortaneous wrote:Bantoid?
Wouldn't that fall under Niger-Congo?
Nesescosac wrote:Nobody at all? Fair enough. I was asked if it was South American or Niger-Congo, and I can tell you it's neither of those.
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Do you have the IPA for those sentences?

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Ah fuck I can't read.

Going back to my original guess then. Sino-Tibetan?
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Neither Hiw nor Sino-Tibetan.
Ai doa nəngam wɛvtinəngandm. Simba ɛunumbulva wulvxoavoi. Doa nəngandomana vɛv.

Wo nómba pomba klexalsaivnamba paiv mɛndɛklina. Vɛnamba di mɛra masinda mɛrava diva samblamɒngɒ wosena nɒmba pomba umxaravxɒ vrəvpa.
Something like that? This orthography is weird. I can also tell you that /v/ and /b/ are allophonic, and that I think all those nasal + voiced plosive combinations are actually prenasalization.
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I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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I'll guess Papua New Guinea, although that's sort of a broad guess.
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You're correct.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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23:26 < Nesescosac> I will tell you that it's not Trans-New Guinea.
23:26 < t[`_`t]> is it sepik-ramu
23:29 < Nesescosac> It is not.
23:31 < t[`_`t]> is it east bird's head-sentani
23:35 < Nesescosac> It is not.
23:35 < t[`_`t]> hm, probably should've done this earlier -- is it papuan
23:36 < t[`_`t]> upsid has fuck all coverage but the only languages on PNG it has with a prenasalized bilabial stop are either TNG, sepik-ramu, or austronesian
23:38 < Nesescosac> It is indeed Papuan.

23:52 < Nesescosac> The language in question, as you can probably tell, is not in UPSID.

00:05 < t[`_`t]> Nesescosac: is it spoken in east sepik province
00:05 < t[`_`t]> (there is a sepik language called alamblak around there)
00:06 < Nesescosac> It's not spoken there.

00:14 < t[`_`t]> is it a torricelli language
00:14 < t[`_`t]> (there is one with syllabic nasals)
00:15 < t[`_`t]> (and a #vr cluster)
00:16 < Nesescosac> Nope.

00:16 < t[`_`t]> skou?
00:17 < t[`_`t]> (the family)
00:17 < Nesescosac> Nope.

00:17 < t[`_`t]> ...isolate?
00:18 < Nesescosac> Nope.


Amto–Musan languages (2)
Burmeso language (isolate)
Busa language (isolate)

East Bird's Head languages (3)
East Papuan languages (36)
Geelvink Bay languages (12)
Yuri language (isolate)
Porome language (isolate)

Kwomtari–Baibai languages (6)
Left May languages (7)
Sepik–Ramu languages (104)
Sko languages (7)
Torricelli languages (48)
Trans–New Guinea languages (598)

West Papuan languages (26)
Yalë language (isolate)
Lower Mamberamo languages (2),
Abinomn language (isolate)
Bayono–Awbono languages (2).
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It is none of the families you have listed.

I will also say that it is spoken on the New Guinea mainland.
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I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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* = unlikely

Trans–New Guinea (reduced to 466–493 languages)
? Extended West Papuan (tentative)
West Papuan languages (27)
East Bird's Head – Sentani languages (9)
Yawa (1–2)

Mairasi languages (4)
* East Cenderawasih (Geelvink Bay) languages (10)
* Lakes Plain languages (19; upper Mamberamo River)
Tor–Kwerba languages (17)
* Nimboran languages (5)
Skou languages (8)
Border languages (15)
Left May – Kwomtari languages (13) (problematic)
Left May (7)
Fas (2)
? Kwomtari (3)

Senagi languages (2) (perhaps related to Sepik)
Torricelli languages (40–50) (perhaps related to Sepik)
Sepik languages (51)
Ramu – Lower Sepik languages (40) (first proposed by Foley)

Yuat languages (5)
Piawi languages (2) (perhaps in Ramu)
South-Central Papuan languages (22)
Eastern Trans-Fly languages (4; one in Australia)
? Yele – West New Britain languages (tentative)
Yélî Dnye (Yele) (isolate)
Anêm (isolate)
Ata (Pele-Ata, Wasi) (isolate)

Baining (East New Britain) languages (8)
North Bougainville languages (4)
South Bougainville languages (9)

Central Solomons languages (4)
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It's one of those - see my edit in my last post.

Out of them, it's the eponymous member of a subfamily.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Waris?

00:42 < Nesescosac> And yeah, it's Waris.
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woo finally someone got it
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Té vtv̄ngpè nø̄chv̀ngwàpè íē. Dv̀mshàpè nø̄ àngshv́r wāpè íē. Chv̀ngzòngpè nø̄, cv̄nshì sórí dvzø̄m bv̀nlì taq dvzø̄mshì wē tiqpè í yàng. Chv̀ngnv̄ngpè nø̄, cv̄nshì wē vnípè wāpè ıē, chv̀ngzòngpè taq nv̄mshì rv̄ngshìpè íē. Àngní nø̄, bv̀nlì shvlē taq dvzø̄:mò nø̀, àngníí dvzø̄m bǿò tvlú taq dv̀mshà nø̄ wàyà:ngì.
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North American?

Iroquoian?

[The velar nasal makes me think it's not iroquoian, but I may as well ask]

Wait: do these languages have to be modern and living?
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That anyone gets these without consulting google boggles my mind. Very impressive 0_o

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