Idiolectal pronunciations

[spidermilk]

It's not idiolectal, but it's still weird. People in my town (that's an hour north of Knoxville, Tennessee) pronounce the "ville" in city names as "vool" (rhymes with wool), and the "boro" or "borough" in town names is pronounced "berl". So you get the towns of "Knoxvool" and "Middlesberl". XD

[finlay]

i know you're a newbie and you probably don't know ipa yet, but respelling words in english to indicate a pronunciation can be really misleading, and we try to avoid it here...

what i mean is, i think you mean [ɫ̩], syllabic dark L, or [əɫ], but i would pronounce wool as [ʊɫ] or [ʉɫ] which is completely different.

[linguoboy]

In some cases I merge /ɑ/ to /ʌ/, at least after /w/. There's the usual suspect, /wʌt/ for "what", but I also say /wʌʃ/ for "wash".

Exceptionally, I have [ʌ] in went. (At least this isn't a feature I remember hearing in anyone else's speech.)

[Bristel]

In my father's idiolect, he pronounces effort as [ɛfɹɛt~ɛfɹɪt].

I noticed it since I was a kid, and it was the only word I ever heard him pronounce oddly.

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-ville as [vɫ̩] is very common in the South. Everyone I know does it.

[spidermilk]

i know you're a newbie and you probably don't know ipa yet, but respelling words in english to indicate a pronunciation can be really misleading, and we try to avoid it here...

what i mean is, i think you mean [ɫ̩], syllabic dark L, or [əɫ], but i would pronounce wool as [ʊɫ] or [ʉɫ] which is completely different.

I'm familiar with IPA, There is a very clear, Near Close, Near Back Rounded Vowel, when I hear someone say "vool". I just have no clue how to make IPA characters on this. I've read a lot about linguistics over the past seven years (Mostly Wikipedia). I'm a message board virgin though. Can you DM a link or explanation of how to make IPA characters on this? I'd appreciate it.

[Zaarin]

i know you're a newbie and you probably don't know ipa yet, but respelling words in english to indicate a pronunciation can be really misleading, and we try to avoid it here...

what i mean is, i think you mean [ɫ̩], syllabic dark L, or [əɫ], but i would pronounce wool as [ʊɫ] or [ʉɫ] which is completely different.

I'm familiar with IPA, There is a very clear, Near Close, Near Back Rounded Vowel, when I hear someone say "vool". I just have no clue how to make IPA characters on this. I've read a lot about linguistics over the past seven years (Mostly Wikipedia). I'm a message board virgin though. Can you DM a link or explanation of how to make IPA characters on this? I'd appreciate it.

If you're on a PC, Start>Accessories>System Tools>Character Map. Then select an IPA-compatible font like Times New Roman. You can then copy and paste the IPA characters. Or directly from the IPA chart on Wikipedia.

[Salmoneus]

Or just use x-sampa.

I noticed today that although the plural of 'premise' I pronounce /prEmIsIz/ (or maybe /prEm@sIz/, but that's not the point), I keep wanting to say 'premises' as in 'building' as /prEm@siz/. I'm not sure if this is something I always do or if it was a one-of mistake and now I'm overthinking it...

[Αυτοβοτα]

In some cases I merge /ɑ/ to /ʌ/, at least after /w/. There's the usual suspect, /wʌt/ for "what", but I also say /wʌʃ/ for "wash".

Exceptionally, I have [ʌ] in went. (At least this isn't a feature I remember hearing in anyone else's speech.)

Huh! I can see it, though. Maybe mine wouldn't be so weird if the prevailing (among older speakers) pronunciation in my area is /wɑɻʃ/ (in /wɑɻʃɪŋtɨn/).

[Matrix]

http://ipa.typeit.org/full/

[finlay]

i know you're a newbie and you probably don't know ipa yet, but respelling words in english to indicate a pronunciation can be really misleading, and we try to avoid it here...

what i mean is, i think you mean [ɫ̩], syllabic dark L, or [əɫ], but i would pronounce wool as [ʊɫ] or [ʉɫ] which is completely different.

I'm familiar with IPA, There is a very clear, Near Close, Near Back Rounded Vowel, when I hear someone say "vool". I just have no clue how to make IPA characters on this. I've read a lot about linguistics over the past seven years (Mostly Wikipedia). I'm a message board virgin though. Can you DM a link or explanation of how to make IPA characters on this? I'd appreciate it.

maybe you have L-vocalization then which would basically be with no L sound.

[StrangerCoug]

I have a tendency to drop unstressed schwa (often with the effect that a following sonorant becomes syllabic), so "seven prisoners" frequently becomes [ˈsɛvn̩ ˈprɪznɚz] in my idiolect.

I've noticed I'll sometimes stick an epenthetic [x] after the word "yeah" so it sounds more like [jæːx] when I say it. Strangely, I've only heard it in that word by itself.

[linguoboy]

I have a tendency to drop unstressed schwa (often with the effect that a following sonorant becomes syllabic), so "seven prisoners" frequently becomes [ˈsɛvn̩ ˈprɪznɚz] in my idiolect.

I would be very surprised to find a syllabic nasal remaining alveolar between two labial segments.

[Zaarin]

Or just use x-sampa.

I noticed today that although the plural of 'premise' I pronounce /prEmIsIz/ (or maybe /prEm@sIz/, but that's not the point), I keep wanting to say 'premises' as in 'building' as /prEm@siz/. I'm not sure if this is something I always do or if it was a one-of mistake and now I'm overthinking it...

That's odd; I have the same effect but the other way around: "premises" as an idea is /prɛmɪsiz/ while "premises" as in building is /prɛmɪsɪz/.

[Hakaku]

I can't help but pronounce "vague" as [væːg], so that it rhymes with "bag" [bæːg].

[spidermilk]

i know you're a newbie and you probably don't know ipa yet, but respelling words in english to indicate a pronunciation can be really misleading, and we try to avoid it here...

what i mean is, i think you mean [ɫ̩], syllabic dark L, or [əɫ], but i would pronounce wool as [ʊɫ] or [ʉɫ] which is completely different.

I'm familiar with IPA, There is a very clear, Near Close, Near Back Rounded Vowel, when I hear someone say "vool". I just have no clue how to make IPA characters on this. I've read a lot about linguistics over the past seven years (Mostly Wikipedia). I'm a message board virgin though. Can you DM a link or explanation of how to make IPA characters on this? I'd appreciate it.

maybe you have L-vocalization then which would basically be with no L sound.

Nope [vɪlˠ] shifts to [vʊlˠ]. It rhymes with wool. It could be [vlˠ] in rapid speech though.

[Αυτοβοτα]

I can't help but pronounce "vague" as [væːg], so that it rhymes with "bag" [bæːg].

That's called, appropriately, the Bag-Vague Merger, and is found in the Midwest (at least Minnesota) and Canada. (So around the Great Lakes? That's not the only shared feature I see in Minnesotan English and Torontan English.)

(Community made fun of it once.)

[jal]

I have a tendency to drop unstressed schwa (often with the effect that a following sonorant becomes syllabic), so "seven prisoners" frequently becomes [ˈsɛvn̩ ˈprɪznɚz] in my idiolect.

How very British of you!


JAL

[StrangerCoug]

I have a tendency to drop unstressed schwa (often with the effect that a following sonorant becomes syllabic), so "seven prisoners" frequently becomes [ˈsɛvn̩ ˈprɪznɚz] in my idiolect.

How very British of you!

I know it sounds like it on first impression, but I'm actually American. I pronounce the "o" in the "-tory" ending since it's not a schwa here.

[Kereb]

though there are words in which it is a schwa even in american varieties, like "olfactory"

[2+3 clusivity]

And different from everyone I know, I say /ʊ/ instead of /u/ in the cases of /hʊvz/ "hooves", /ɻʊf/ "roof", and /ɻʊt/ "root".

That's not to odd; I think it's the Philly accent. I sporadically have that change, i.e. /hʊvz/ , but /ɻut/ and /ɻuf/. At least the latter is a hyper-correction, but I wonder if the /ɻ/ is affecting the vowel quality . . . maybe retracting /u/ to [ʊ].

And, honestly, do people say [huf, huvz (hufs?)]?

@Kereb: huh? [olfækʈʂɻi] for me. [olfæktəɻi] sounds overdone and jaunty.

[Seirios]

"program" "progress" as /ˈprʊ-/ (though progress probably just a shortened proh-gress, with [o]), mass(ive) and classic(al) with trap-bath split, laugh as luff
Distinguish /oʊr/ /uːr/ /ɔːr/
Distinguish unstressed a/e (/ə/) i (/ɨ/) and o/u as well as unstressed ar/er/ir and or/ur (roundness)
Distinguish the "/ər/" sound between er/ir and ur (roundness)
/-Vrl(C-)/ > /-rV(r)l(C-)/, sporadically. e.g. Carleton > craalton, girl > somewhere near /grəl/

As for my Chinese, interjection 诶/欸 is precisely [ɛ] and 咦, which is *supposed* to be , as [e]. In fact, though, my Chinese has an entire idolectal phonology...

[Αυτοβοτα]

And different from everyone I know, I say /ʊ/ instead of /u/ in the cases of /hʊvz/ "hooves", /ɻʊf/ "roof", and /ɻʊt/ "root".

That's not to odd; I think it's the Philly accent. I sporadically have that change, i.e. /hʊvz/ , but /ɻut/ and /ɻuf/. At least the latter is a hyper-correction, but I wonder if the /ɻ/ is affecting the vowel quality . . . maybe retracting /u/ to [ʊ].

I've never lived in Philly, the primary influences on my accent are Californian, SAE, and Pacific Northwestern. That does seem pretty likely re: retraction.

And, honestly, do people say [huf, huvz (hufs?)]?

Yes. I have that Canadian in the link and 2 Minnesotans for examples of that pronunciation.

@Kereb: huh? [olfækʈʂɻi] for me. [olfæktəɻi] sounds overdone and jaunty.

I use either, depending on how consciously formal I am.

[jal]

I know it sounds like it on first impression, but I'm actually American. I pronounce the "o" in the "-tory" ending since it's not a schwa here.

Yeah, I meant that being an American, you do a British thing :).


JAL

[Zaarin]

And different from everyone I know, I say /ʊ/ instead of /u/ in the cases of /hʊvz/ "hooves", /ɻʊf/ "roof", and /ɻʊt/ "root".

That's not to odd; I think it's the Philly accent. I sporadically have that change, i.e. /hʊvz/ , but /ɻut/ and /ɻuf/. At least the latter is a hyper-correction, but I wonder if the /ɻ/ is affecting the vowel quality . . . maybe retracting /u/ to [ʊ].

And, honestly, do people say [huf, huvz (hufs?)]?

@Kereb: huh? [olfækʈʂɻi] for me. [olfæktəɻi] sounds overdone and jaunty.

I have [hʊf] but [huvz]. Also /ɻut/ and /ɻuf/--[ɻʊf] always sounds weird to me. For reference, my accent is GenAm with pretty eclectic influences.