Bokmal or Nynorsk
- Zumir
- Lebom
- Posts: 116
- Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:22 pm
- Location: On ur internets, spamming ur threads
Bokmal or Nynorsk
If one was to learn Norwegian, would it be a better idea to learn Nynorsk or Bokmal? I would guess Bokmal, but I'm not sure.
Zim ho Xsárnicja žovnyce.
- Åge Kruger
- Lebom
- Posts: 169
- Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:33 am
- Location: Norway
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
That depends entirely on what you're going to be using your Norwegian for, and also how you plan on learning it. Today, there is only one book in English for learning Nynorsk (or Modern Norwegian, as it ought to be called), but loads for Bokmål. The vast majority of people use Bokmål as their primary written form, and the vast majority of media output is in Bokmål. However, this won't be much use to you if you want to visit areas where Modern Norwegian is the norm, or interact with people who write in Modern Norwegian. Modern Norwegian is also more useful if you will be speaking with people from outside of Oslo.Zumir wrote:If one was to learn Norwegian, would it be a better idea to learn Nynorsk or Bokmal? I would guess Bokmal, but I'm not sure.
If I could learn Norwegian from scratch again, I would start with Modern Norwegian. Modern Norwegian is a bit more irregular, and since there's such a scarcity of materials in Modern Norwegian, harder to just ¨pick up¨. Bokmål, on the other hand, is all over the place, so I could have learned Bokmål just from reading and contact alone.
But of course, it's up to you to decide, based on what you're actually going to do with the language, which standard you choose. Heck, you might find out High Norwegian is the standard appropriate for you and your needs.
[quote="Soviet Russia"]If you can't join them, beat them.[/quote]
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
... why call Nynorsk by a made-up English name if you're not also going to call Bokmål "Literary Norwegian" or something?
- Zumir
- Lebom
- Posts: 116
- Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:22 pm
- Location: On ur internets, spamming ur threads
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Thanks! I think that if I do learn Norwegian I would choose Nynorsk, partly for the reasons you gave and partly because, in a way, it's both a natlang and a conlang. Heaven.
Zim ho Xsárnicja žovnyce.
- Åge Kruger
- Lebom
- Posts: 169
- Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:33 am
- Location: Norway
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Because Modern Norwegian needs all the help it can get, and i don't care to give Bokmål anymore prestige than it already has. This is politics, nothing grander.finlay wrote:... why call Nynorsk by a made-up English name if you're not also going to call Bokmål "Literary Norwegian" or something?
[quote="Soviet Russia"]If you can't join them, beat them.[/quote]
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
meh, fair enough
i don't know much about it. but that's what "bokmål" means, is it not?
i don't know much about it. but that's what "bokmål" means, is it not?
-
- Niš
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:54 pm
- Location: Denmark
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Pretty much. Literally it's "book language" I believe.finlay wrote:meh, fair enough
i don't know much about it. but that's what "bokmål" means, is it not?
-
- Lebom
- Posts: 112
- Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:23 pm
- Location: Fast i mitt eget huvud.
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
^^Yep, it's the "Book language" and from what I understand from my friends in the neighboring country is that they would recommend that one learns Bokmål for written purposes and (a) local dialect(s) for the spoken language. I managed to pick up quite a bit of dialect words from my friend in Bergen and the way her dialect is seems like a blending of both "Nynorsk" and "Bokmål" to me and my friend from the North. Nynorsk is more common in the Western and Southwestern parts of Norway. So it's good to know both "Bokmål" and "Nynorsk" especially since dialects can mix the two anyway.
,
,
Yeah more or less, I personally would just consider it to be an alternative "standard" form of the language. Compare British English to American English, Latin American Spanish to Spain Spanish, Quebec French to Parisian French, and etc.Zumir wrote: it's both a natlang and a conlang
Current Conlang Project: Karuslnko. http://karuslnkoconlang.wordpress.com
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Yeah, while bokmal means "bookworm".Majortopio wrote:Pretty much. Literally it's "book language" I believe.finlay wrote:meh, fair enough
i don't know much about it. but that's what "bokmål" means, is it not?
- Skomakar'n
- Smeric
- Posts: 1273
- Joined: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:05 pm
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Aw, I was just going to point this out.Qwynegold wrote:Yeah, while bokmal means "bookworm".Majortopio wrote:Pretty much. Literally it's "book language" I believe.finlay wrote:meh, fair enough
i don't know much about it. but that's what "bokmål" means, is it not?
Online dictionary for my conlang Vanga: http://royalrailway.com/tungumaalMiin/Vanga/
#undef FEMALE
I'd love for you to try my game out! Here's the forum thread about it:
http://zbb.spinnwebe.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36688
Of an Ernst'ian one.
#undef FEMALE
I'd love for you to try my game out! Here's the forum thread about it:
http://zbb.spinnwebe.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36688
Of an Ernst'ian one.
- Åge Kruger
- Lebom
- Posts: 169
- Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:33 am
- Location: Norway
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Okay, I've come up with a sufficiently derogatory name for Dano-Norwegian, so from now on, I'm going to be calling it Brokmal - trouser pattern.finlay wrote:... why call Nynorsk by a made-up English name if you're not also going to call Bokmål "Literary Norwegian" or something?
[quote="Soviet Russia"]If you can't join them, beat them.[/quote]
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
I would think that calling it Dano-Norwegian would be sufficient... but you could simply call it Danish and leave it at that...
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
-
- Lebom
- Posts: 112
- Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:23 pm
- Location: Fast i mitt eget huvud.
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Or "Beautified Danish" if you will. -Is shot-
Current Conlang Project: Karuslnko. http://karuslnkoconlang.wordpress.com
- Skomakar'n
- Smeric
- Posts: 1273
- Joined: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:05 pm
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
*shoots you*Koko.Dk wrote:Or "Beautified Danish" if you will. -Is shot-
Bokmål is boring. It's bastardised Danish. No more. Learn real Norwegian writing. Learn Nynorsk.
Online dictionary for my conlang Vanga: http://royalrailway.com/tungumaalMiin/Vanga/
#undef FEMALE
I'd love for you to try my game out! Here's the forum thread about it:
http://zbb.spinnwebe.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36688
Of an Ernst'ian one.
#undef FEMALE
I'd love for you to try my game out! Here's the forum thread about it:
http://zbb.spinnwebe.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36688
Of an Ernst'ian one.
- Niedokonany
- Lebom
- Posts: 244
- Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:31 pm
- Location: Kliwia Czarna
- Yiuel Raumbesrairc
- Avisaru
- Posts: 668
- Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:17 pm
- Location: Nyeriborma, Elme, Melomers
- Aurora Rossa
- Smeric
- Posts: 1138
- Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:46 am
- Location: The vendée of America
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
I would definitely go for Bokmål myself, given that it sounds more literary and sophisticated which obviously meets my purposes. Of course it depends on what you are planning to do with your knowledge of Norwegian and such.
"There was a particular car I soon came to think of as distinctly St. Louis-ish: a gigantic white S.U.V. with a W. bumper sticker on it for George W. Bush."
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
/facepalmEddy wrote:I would definitely go for Bokmål myself, given that it sounds more literary and sophisticated which obviously meets my purposes. Of course it depends on what you are planning to do with your knowledge of Norwegian and such.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
But Eddy, it's used in the South of the country by Conservatives.Eddy wrote:I would definitely go for Bokmål myself, given that it sounds more literary and sophisticated which obviously meets my purposes. Of course it depends on what you are planning to do with your knowledge of Norwegian and such.
- Aurora Rossa
- Smeric
- Posts: 1138
- Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:46 am
- Location: The vendée of America
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Why do you say that? I would imagine Oslo, as the most urban and cosmopolitican part of Norway, much more liberal and progressive than the outlying rural areas.finlay wrote:But Eddy, it's used in the South of the country by Conservatives.
"There was a particular car I soon came to think of as distinctly St. Louis-ish: a gigantic white S.U.V. with a W. bumper sticker on it for George W. Bush."
- Åge Kruger
- Lebom
- Posts: 169
- Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:33 am
- Location: Norway
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Modern Norwegian is more democratic, and is stereotyped as being more poetic. I'm quite surprised that you'd rather be associated with the literati and sophisticated-classes, than the working-man, but to each his own.Eddy wrote:I would definitely go for Bokmål myself, given that it sounds more literary and sophisticated which obviously meets my purposes. Of course it depends on what you are planning to do with your knowledge of Norwegian and such.
[quote="Soviet Russia"]If you can't join them, beat them.[/quote]
- Aurora Rossa
- Smeric
- Posts: 1138
- Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:46 am
- Location: The vendée of America
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
Well, keep in mind the left in America has by far the most traction among the educated in major cities and virtually none among the "working man" as typically defined. Although that definition tends to focus on rural white men rather than ethnic minorities, people in the service and mental professions (teachers and so forth), most of whom qualify as working class in the sort of economic sense that I would typically use it. But all things considered, I don't feel too drawn to rural dialects for that reason.Åge Kruger wrote:Modern Norwegian is more democratic, and is stereotyped as being more poetic. I'm quite surprised that you'd rather be associated with the literati and sophisticated-classes, than the working-man, but to each his own.
"There was a particular car I soon came to think of as distinctly St. Louis-ish: a gigantic white S.U.V. with a W. bumper sticker on it for George W. Bush."
- Åge Kruger
- Lebom
- Posts: 169
- Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:33 am
- Location: Norway
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
But that's exactly the problem here, isn't it? You're applying American politics to a situation where it is entirely inappropriate. In fact, you've fallen into the trap of saying the same sort of things that bourgeois Norwegians say about country people and rural dialects.Eddy wrote:Well, keep in mind the left in America has by far the most traction among the educated in major cities and virtually none among the "working man" as typically defined. Although that definition tends to focus on rural white men rather than ethnic minorities, people in the service and mental professions (teachers and so forth), most of whom qualify as working class in the sort of economic sense that I would typically use it. But all things considered, I don't feel too drawn to rural dialects for that reason.Åge Kruger wrote:Modern Norwegian is more democratic, and is stereotyped as being more poetic. I'm quite surprised that you'd rather be associated with the literati and sophisticated-classes, than the working-man, but to each his own.
[quote="Soviet Russia"]If you can't join them, beat them.[/quote]
- Aurora Rossa
- Smeric
- Posts: 1138
- Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:46 am
- Location: The vendée of America
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
But aren't rural people more conservative even in places like Scandanavia? Or would you consider the "redneck" phenomenon one sees in America an anomaly rather than the rule?Åge Kruger wrote:But that's exactly the problem here, isn't it? You're applying American politics to a situation where it is entirely inappropriate. In fact, you've fallen into the trap of saying the same sort of things that bourgeois Norwegians say about country people and rural dialects.
"There was a particular car I soon came to think of as distinctly St. Louis-ish: a gigantic white S.U.V. with a W. bumper sticker on it for George W. Bush."
- Åge Kruger
- Lebom
- Posts: 169
- Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:33 am
- Location: Norway
- Contact:
Re: Bokmal or Nynorsk
What does conservative mean? Conservative as opposed to liberal? Conservative as opposed to socialist? Are all rural areas even the same? The Norwegian Labour Party received over 45% of the vote in three rural counties, but also received less than 30 in three of the same. Progress, a sort of Thatcherite party, won over 27% of the vote in two rural counties, but less than 18% in three others. The Conservatives, on the other hand, did best in Oslo area and Hordaland, a mix of rural and urban. The Socialist did best in mid and northern rural Norway and also Oslo.Eddy wrote:But aren't rural people more conservative even in places like Scandanavia? Or would you consider the "redneck" phenomenon one sees in America an anomaly rather than the rule?Åge Kruger wrote:But that's exactly the problem here, isn't it? You're applying American politics to a situation where it is entirely inappropriate. In fact, you've fallen into the trap of saying the same sort of things that bourgeois Norwegians say about country people and rural dialects.
[quote="Soviet Russia"]If you can't join them, beat them.[/quote]