program vs. program/programme

[Cathbad]

Native English speakers: do you pronounce them differently? (The verb and the noun, I mean.)

I won't say why I'm interested because that would probably affect your responses.

[Ziz]

No, I pronounce them both /ˈproʊˌɡræm/. Saying /ˈproʊɡrəm/ for the noun sounds kind of dated to me.

[Terra]

No, I pronounce them both /ˈproʊˌɡræm/.

Seconded. I never knew there was alternate/older pronunciations.

[Hakaku]

They're both pronounced exactly the same, they just differ in spelling. In Canada, 'programme' is associated with British spelling, while 'program' is considered American spelling. Both are admissible, though the latter spelling is rapidly supplanting the former, even among educational institutions.

/ˈpɹoʊɡɹæm/

Edit: Oops, misread. Yes, the verb and the noun are pronounced exactly the same.

[finlay]

No, I don't; it's always /ˈprogram/, whether it has -me at the end or not, or whether it's a noun or a verb. Spelling-wise, I use "programme" for TV programmes (ie shows) and theatre programmes, and "program" for computer programs (being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

[Terra]

(being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

I'm not so sure about that. First, "app" is just short for "application". "app" seems to be reserved for programs on a mobile device such as an iPod/iPhone/iPad or Android.

[Ziz]

No, I pronounce them both /ˈproʊˌɡræm/.

Seconded. I never knew there was alternate/older pronunciations.

I only hear it on NPR or PBS.

[Salmoneus]

(being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

I'm not so sure about that. First, "app" is just short for "application". "app" seems to be reserved for programs on a mobile device such as an iPod/iPhone/iPad or Android.

No, people use it for all programs. I think it's the only way people can understand computers these days: thinking of them as bigger, weirder, less-cool smartphones.

And I pronounce them the same. Was a bit baffled as to how else you could pronounce them. Thinking about it, I do sometimes hear (maybe even say?) either with a schwa for the second vowel. But that's still not a distinction. Thinking hard about it, I think my mother's family say 'programme' with a schwa, and I've heard other people use a schwa in 'program' too.

[finlay]

(being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

I'm not so sure about that. First, "app" is just short for "application". "app" seems to be reserved for programs on a mobile device such as an iPod/iPhone/iPad or Android.

Well... apple, to be fair, have always used the nomenclature "application" as long as I can remember, which is fine, but they've been really trying to push the term "app" onto us lately, with things such as the "app store", which now exists on os x as well as the iwhatsits. And I've definitely heard people use that term for computer programs.

It's also a term used for sub-programs within websites such as facebook.

[Declan]

(being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

I'm not so sure about that. First, "app" is just short for "application". "app" seems to be reserved for programs on a mobile device such as an iPod/iPhone/iPad or Android.

No, people use it for all programs. I think it's the only way people can understand computers these days: thinking of them as bigger, weirder, less-cool smartphones.

That people as in those who don't care about how you'd program a computer, or those who do? I've never heard app for something like Word in either context.

I don't really use the verb much so I'm not sure about "to program", but I think that I've /ˈproʊˌɡræm/ for both, just more stress on the latter syllable for the verb. For 'programmed' or 'programmable' definitely, but I'm not sure about just 'program'.

[Amuere]

I have /pɹoɡɹæm/ for both the noun and verb, I've heard alot of people where I live say something like /pɹoʊɡɹəm/ for the noun....it sounds so weird.

[Bob Johnson]

I have /pɹoɡɹæm/ for both the noun and verb, I've heard alot of people where I live say something like /pɹoʊɡɹəm/ for the noun....it sounds so weird.

In what way do you contrast /o/ and /oʊ/?

[Terra]

No, people use it for all programs. I think it's the only way people can understand computers these days: thinking of them as bigger, weirder, less-cool smartphones.

Sad, but I'm okay with that as long as I can get paid to write progra-- I mean apps.

I've never heard app for something like Word in either context.

Seconded.

It's also a term used for sub-programs within websites such as facebook.

Indeed, furthering my miniature-thing hypothesis.

[Cathbad]

Thinking about it, I do sometimes hear (maybe even say?) either with a schwa for the second vowel. But that's still not a distinction. Thinking hard about it, I think my mother's family say 'programme' with a schwa, and I've heard other people use a schwa in 'program' too.

Yes, I noticed a varying pronunciation of the second syllable, and thought it might have something to do with the verb/noun distinction. But it appears it probably doesn't.

[Amuere]

I have /pɹoɡɹæm/ for both the noun and verb, I've heard alot of people where I live say something like /pɹoʊɡɹəm/ for the noun....it sounds so weird.

In what way do you contrast /o/ and /oʊ/?

Oops, that was a typo. My pronounciation has /oʊ/.

[Terra]

I have /pɹoɡɹæm/ for both the noun and verb, I've heard alot of people where I live say something like /pɹoʊɡɹəm/ for the noun....it sounds so weird.

In what way do you contrast /o/ and /oʊ/?

Oops, that was a typo. My pronounciation has /oʊ/.

Don't you mean /o/ and [oU] then?

[Ser]

Works either way.

[Amuere]

I have /pɹoɡɹæm/ for both the noun and verb, I've heard alot of people where I live say something like /pɹoʊɡɹəm/ for the noun....it sounds so weird.

In what way do you contrast /o/ and /oʊ/?

Oops, that was a typo. My pronounciation has /oʊ/.

Don't you mean /o/ and [oU] then?

Ok, now I'm confused.

[finlay]

The labelling of phonemes really doesn't matter – as long as you're consistent. You don't have to label it exactly the same as it's pronounced – it just helps.

also [oU] is just [oʊ] in X-SAMPA

[Chargone]

(being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

I'm not so sure about that. First, "app" is just short for "application". "app" seems to be reserved for programs on a mobile device such as an iPod/iPhone/iPad or Android.

Well... apple, to be fair, have always used the nomenclature "application" as long as I can remember, which is fine, but they've been really trying to push the term "app" onto us lately, with things such as the "app store", which now exists on os x as well as the iwhatsits. And I've definitely heard people use that term for computer programs.

It's also a term used for sub-programs within websites such as facebook.

apple will also sue you for using the term 'app store' among other things, apparently.
can't remember how that turned out for them though. they claim the 'app' is short for 'apple', despite, you know, no one thinking that until they sued over it <_<

[Radius Solis]

(being quickly supplanted, to my utter dismay, by the word "app" )...

I'm not so sure about that. First, "app" is just short for "application". "app" seems to be reserved for programs on a mobile device such as an iPod/iPhone/iPad or Android.

No, people use it for all programs. I think it's the only way people can understand computers these days: thinking of them as bigger, weirder, less-cool smartphones.

As an abbreviation for "application", it predates smartphones and goes back to the old days of the classic Mac OS, in which realm the term "program" was typically avoided except as a verb. Winboxes has programs, the Mac had applications. Not that "application" was ever spelled abbreviated within the OS, but it was sometimes clipped to "app" in speech. I remember having an argument about it with my Mac-purist ex, in 1997, so it certainly existed by then.

[con quesa]

I pronounce them identically, as /pɹoʊɡɹæm/. Further I think that spelling it "programme" is a frightfully British thing to do and I wouldn't do it myself unless I was trying to pass myself off as frightfully British.

[Echobeats]

No, I don't; it's always /ˈprogram/, whether it has -me at the end or not, or whether it's a noun or a verb. Spelling-wise, I use "programme" for TV programmes (ie shows) and theatre programmes, and "program" for computer programs

This: it's considered prescriptively correct to use the American spelling for computer-related things (since they all come from America), but not otherwise. Ditto disc/disk.