Agglutination and Compound Words
Agglutination and Compound Words
What language/s take agglutination to its extreme? For example:
German) Schuh, Handschuh
Is there any language that takes it further, forming things like: foot-covering (shoe), hand-covering (glove), house-covering (roof), etc?
Esperanto) bona, malbona; alta, malalta
Is there any non-constructed language that forms the opposites of words as Esperanto does?
German) Schuh, Handschuh
Is there any language that takes it further, forming things like: foot-covering (shoe), hand-covering (glove), house-covering (roof), etc?
Esperanto) bona, malbona; alta, malalta
Is there any non-constructed language that forms the opposites of words as Esperanto does?
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This reply seems completely irrelevant.lsd wrote:Many languages do it some time, but no one does it all time
that why we conlang isnt it?
Languages I speak fluentlyPřemysl wrote:Oh god, we truly are nerdy. My first instinct was "why didn't he just use sunt and have it all in Latin?".Kereb wrote:they are nerdissimus inter nerdes
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Why irrelevant ?
taking some linguistic things to its extreme is a conlanging way of thinking, never a natlang one...
(but your answer not better )
taking some linguistic things to its extreme is a conlanging way of thinking, never a natlang one...
(but your answer not better )
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Lakota, Navajo, Inuktitut...Terra wrote:What language/s take agglutination to its extreme?
Lots.Terra wrote:Is there any language that takes it further, forming things like: foot-covering (shoe), hand-covering (glove), house-covering (roof), etc?
No. Not every single opposite anyway, but plenty of languages including English add something to make an opposite (possible > impossible, etc.).Terra wrote:Is there any non-constructed language that forms the opposites of words as Esperanto does?
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But I have greater seniority, therefore I have more privileges.lsd wrote:You're right ! don't see we are in Languages & Linguistics
(but your answer not better )
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PWN'dMr. Z wrote:But I have greater seniority, therefore I have more privileges.
Well, for some extreme examples look at the polysynthetic languages of the Americas, which allow for crazily long words due to compounding and incorporation. Astraios, richardspaghetti and Whimemsz may be able to give examples.
As for my own conlang (which is your typical agglutinating conlang), not too fossilized compounds usually only comprise of two elements (head and dependent), where the dependent is split off from the head when the head is marked for case and/or number, becoming a sort of modifier:
- nanga 'house' + trapas 'boat' → trapasnanga 'houseboat'
but: trapasena nanga 'of/from the houseboat', trapasjyam nanga 'to/for the houseboats', trapaseri nanga 'because of the houseboat' etc.
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That's how it works here.Mr. Z wrote: But I have greater seniority, therefore I have more privileges.
Move along
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Mobilian Jargon seems to work like that, at least potentially. But that's a pidgin for you.Terra wrote:Esperanto) bona, malbona; alta, malalta
Is there any non-constructed language that forms the opposites of words as Esperanto does?
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Um... what?lsd wrote:you too old in the forum gotta read again rules of welcome to newcomers (it's newbies privileges )
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Rand Valentine in his grammar of some of the eastern dialects of the Ojibwe dialect continuum gives the example gga-gchi-niisaakye-zaagji-ziinkiigmaane-bskiigdigwe-bmiboojgesahin, "I'll throw you down the hill so hard the snot will come out of your nose and your knees will buckle." As far as I can tell the breakdown of this is approximately:
g-ga-gchi-niis-aa-k-ye-zaag-ji-ziin-kii-gm-aan-e-bsk-ii-gdigw-e-bmi-boo-j-ge-sah-in
2-FUT-very-down-be:II-land?-?-come.out-?-extract.liquid-?-nose-nose?-INCRP-bend/turn.around-?-knee-INCRP-go.along-plow?-TI-ANTIPASSV-CAUS:TA-INVERSE
(where niisaak(i) "down-be-land?" together means "down the hill" and ziinkiigmaan "extract.liquid-?-nose-nose?" together means "snot")
Obviously though this is a really extreme example, most words are nowhere near that long (and yes, in spite of the hyphens of the standard orthography, that's all one word, since it begins with a person-marking proclitic and ends with an inflectional suffix)
g-ga-gchi-niis-aa-k-ye-zaag-ji-ziin-kii-gm-aan-e-bsk-ii-gdigw-e-bmi-boo-j-ge-sah-in
2-FUT-very-down-be:II-land?-?-come.out-?-extract.liquid-?-nose-nose?-INCRP-bend/turn.around-?-knee-INCRP-go.along-plow?-TI-ANTIPASSV-CAUS:TA-INVERSE
(where niisaak(i) "down-be-land?" together means "down the hill" and ziinkiigmaan "extract.liquid-?-nose-nose?" together means "snot")
Obviously though this is a really extreme example, most words are nowhere near that long (and yes, in spite of the hyphens of the standard orthography, that's all one word, since it begins with a person-marking proclitic and ends with an inflectional suffix)
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Nobody likes being lectured by people who've just joined?Asahi wrote:That was quite witty but weren't your comments a little rude?
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HOW RUDEAsahi wrote:That was quite witty but weren't your comments a little rude?Mr. Z wrote: But I have greater seniority, therefore I have more privileges.
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Thx but there is no insults
(i accept anybody advices even without any humor)
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Quit acting stupid and we'll quit insulting you.lsd wrote:Thx but there is no insults
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Rules are de jure, not de facto. It's anarchy here.lsd wrote:you too old in the forum gotta read again rules of welcome to newcomers (it's newbies privileges )
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It does seem like the insults are a bit out of proportion to the level of stupid. And it's hard to tell how much is just lsd's difficulty with English.Drydic Guy wrote:Quit acting stupid and we'll quit insulting you.lsd wrote:Thx but there is no insults :D
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Oh man, I was all set to post a long Seneca word and now it seems short by comparison. The Seneca word for `door' is incorporated into the verb `open' and then nominalized to yield the word for `key' (`it-opens-doors', I guess). The word for `key' can then be incorporated into the verb `turn', giving this:Whimemsz wrote:Obviously though this is a really extreme example, most words are nowhere near that long (and yes, in spite of the hyphens of the standard orthography, that's all one word, since it begins with a person-marking proclitic and ends with an inflectional suffix)
ʔoʔkehotɔkwaʔshǽkaha:thoʔ
ʔoʔke-ho-tɔ-kwa-ʔshǽ-kahat-ho-ʔ
pronom.-door-close-oppositive-nominalizer-turn-causative-aspect.suffix
(I'm not sure about the specific gloss of the pronominal prefixes).
Noun incorporated into verb, nominalized, then incorporated into another verb. Iroquoian is awesome.
Kuku-kuku kaki kakak kakekku kaku kaku.
'the toenails of my grandfather's elder brother are stiff'
'the toenails of my grandfather's elder brother are stiff'
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Stick to the topic of agglutination, please.Asahi wrote:oh nevermind -.-Drydic Guy wrote:HOW RUDEAsahi wrote:That was quite witty but weren't your comments a little rude?Mr. Z wrote: But I have greater seniority, therefore I have more privileges.
That is awesome. Not only do they derive "key" from other words, but even "close" is just "opposite-of-open".Matt wrote:Oh man, I was all set to post a long Seneca word and now it seems short by comparison. The Seneca word for `door' is incorporated into the verb `open' and then nominalized to yield the word for `key' (`it-opens-doors', I guess). The word for `key' can then be incorporated into the verb `turn', giving this:Whimemsz wrote:Obviously though this is a really extreme example, most words are nowhere near that long (and yes, in spite of the hyphens of the standard orthography, that's all one word, since it begins with a person-marking proclitic and ends with an inflectional suffix)
ʔoʔkehotɔkwaʔshǽkaha:thoʔ
ʔoʔke-ho-tɔ-kwa-ʔshǽ-kahat-ho-ʔ
pronom.-door-close-oppositive-nominalizer-turn-causative-aspect.suffix
(I'm not sure about the specific gloss of the pronominal prefixes).
Noun incorporated into verb, nominalized, then incorporated into another verb. Iroquoian is awesome.
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NO NEVER :bangs on pots and pans and marches around the room:Terra wrote:Stick to the topic of agglutination, please.Asahi wrote:oh nevermind -.-Drydic Guy wrote:HOW RUDEAsahi wrote:That was quite witty but weren't your comments a little rude?Mr. Z wrote: But I have greater seniority, therefore I have more privileges.
I'd look up compounding in Sanskrit if I were you. It's not grammatically agglutinative, but its compounds can be very...large.
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The topic of this thread has always seemed like "Hey do any languages have compound words that English doesn't?" to me, and to have nothing to do with agglutination.Drydic Guy wrote:NO NEVER :bangs on pots and pans and marches around the room:
I'd look up compounding in Sanskrit if I were you. It's not grammatically agglutinative, but its compounds can be very...large.
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'Struth.Xephyr wrote:The topic of this thread has always seemed like "Hey do any languages have compound words that English doesn't?" to me, and to have nothing to do with agglutination.Drydic Guy wrote:NO NEVER :bangs on pots and pans and marches around the room:
I'd look up compounding in Sanskrit if I were you. It's not grammatically agglutinative, but its compounds can be very...large.