categorizing vowels

[Melteor]

I have heard that as is to [j], so too is [e] to the approximant in 'yacht'.

[Pinetree]

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Ace. Fucking. Rimmer. You win.

[Grimalkin]

Granpa, tell me this.

How would you represent nasal vowels?

[granpa]

thats an interesting question.

I guess m, n, ng are nasal approximates so presumably you could have diphthongs that are combinations of vowel + nasal approximate

The trouble is that I dont know how to pronounce nasal vowels

[ol bofosh]

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Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.

Smegtastic.

[cromulant]

i think nasal vowles would be basically the same as plosive vowels excpet for length

length would be uvular

[Thry]

i think nasal vowles would be basically the same as plosive vowels excpet for length

length would be uvular

Don't go offtopic. How would the crocodile fit this paradigm?

[Lyra]

i think nasal vowles would be basically the same as plosive vowels excpet for length

length would be uvular

I think it would vary in sonority depending on the dialect. Especially in the velar diphthongs.

Central vowels would be voiceless.

~Lyra

[Grimalkin]

I would like to present a better system:


When there is a pair of vowels, the member on the left is sliding. The one on the right is flat. I think this is a neat way of classifying tones in languages that have them.



I'm not sure about the placement of the rhotic vowels, and I think the system as a whole is too derivative of the IPA chart.

[Thry]

But the French row should be homorganic, shouldn't it?

[Nortaneous]

And what about the omlauts? Shouldn't there be a third row for them?

[Grimalkin]

No because omlauts are a result of i-mutation, which in simple terms, is saturation of progressive spread short vowels. Any basic textbook on Germanic linguistics will tell you this. Sure, further sound changes in some languages produced front rounded vowels (better, ''faucalized'' vowels) but this was due to strong dialectal admixture with a Gallo-Romance substratum.

But the French row should be homorganic, shouldn't it?

Undecided on this. Let's just say that French doesn't fit neatly into my system so I say just ignore the evidence and keep things as they are.

[Pole, the]

i think nasal vowles would be basically the same as plosive vowels excpet for length

length would be uvular

Don't go offtopic. How would the crocodile fit this paradigm?

Crocodile is [+long], that's all I know.

[Salmoneus]

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Ace. Fucking. Rimmer. You win.

Sorry, no, what you should have said was "Das war Ace Rimmer!"

[Travis B.]

None. of. this. makes. any. sense. whatsoever.

[Vuvuzela]

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None. of. this. makes. any. sense. whatsoever.

I guess you're right

[ol bofosh]

sedrfhyujkl[;]'\

Faskinating! I should do something like that for Alahithian, it would make it so much more complete. Not the rest though, that would be too much.

[Tropylium]

It strikes me as you have not noticed the wealth of information available from considering the trajectory lengths within the orthographic roundedness quotient space, which clearly dictates a split into uppercase and lowercase vowels chronologically anterior to the development of exolabialization and contrastive dorsalization (but, most probably not allophonic dorsalization related to the acquisition of fricates, seeing how their common acoustic features originate in microscale eddies, and this would thus contradict the received timeline on the development of locally socialistic power structures), a division that is instinctively clear for most, as anyone familiar with TIPA notation can verify.

Please consult the latest issue of the Annals of the Northern Pomeranian Philological Society for further details.

[Vuvuzela]

sedrfhyujkl[;]'\

Faskinating! I should do something like that for Alahithian, it would make it so much more complete. Not the rest though, that would be too much.

But you don't understand, before you can sedrfhyujkl[;]'\, you HAVE to crxwzwzwzw0ipbgutydyrybytcdezwzqzsxrfxszxsxaacccdcddccdddhuuuuuhuhuhubgvgtvtvtyvytvtyv. Otherwise, we'd just be eating each other's grandmothers.

[ol bofosh]

But you don't understand, before you can sedrfhyujkl[;]'\, you HAVE to crxwzwzwzw0ipbgutydyrybytcdezwzqzsxrfxszxsxaacccdcddccdddhuuuuuhuhuhubgvgtvtvtyvytvtyv. Otherwise, we'd just be eating each other's grandmothers.

I can understand crxwzwzwzw but I can't get past 0ipbgut, it doesn't fit the dsagiutrkjgkhççç that I already have.
So when's your grandmother coming over for dinner?

[Lyra]

I think the trilateral emphatization of some further back high vowels should be represented as a different entity to the voiceless dento-uvular rothic diphthongs.

The 'fudge-moron' ligature should also be represented there.

~Lyra

[Whimemsz]

christ, we get it, his posts make no sense

[ol bofosh]

Random Thread II anyone?

[Pole, the]

Random Thread II anyone?

All the bboard is one huge Random Thread.

[Thry]

christ, we get it, his posts make no sense

We also get you can't stand any slight mockery of anything in the board

Also the ZBB will never be a holy shrine, get over it. This is no place to show off sanctimonious stoicity.
So come on in and participate in these vanguardistic phonemic charts.