How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
I think I pronounce it /wɪkɪ'pi:dɪə/ in English, /wɪkɪ'pe:dja/ in Swedish. Yeah, I retain the /w/. So sue me.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
[w] always reminds me of Surinam Dutch. We use [ʋ]. I'll also pronounce a very clear [w] if I try to mimick RP English.
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
AnTeallach wrote:Sort of. Traditional rural dialects are very well documented, thanks to the Survey of English Dialects, but you won't find many people in England who actually speak like that. (The survery was largely done in the 1950s, and they deliberately chose older working-class men who hadn't moved around much.)TaylorS wrote:It was my understanding that British dialects are fairly well documented compared to most American ones.AnTeallach wrote:At least your side of the Atlantic has "Labovian vowel isogloss mapping".Travis B. wrote:This kind of thing is why we need better surveying of what is actually going on in NAE dialects rather than just the typical old Labovian vowel isogloss mapping alone...
There are a number of studies of specific local dialects (Scouse is quite well-documented, for example, and there's been quite a lot of study in the South-East) but I'm not aware of anything like Labov's Atlas of North American English. For example, I don't think we have anything newer on the BATH isogloss than what the SED says, and while that's probably still quite accurate in that case it'd be nice to have something more up-to-date.
As for Finlay's "wiki" question, for me it's a typical HAPPY word: [ɪ] before consonants, before vowels.
The thing is that, aside from marking vowel isoglosses and like, it seems like very little has been done on significant aspects of North American English dialects, folksy bullshit aside. For instance, just amongst relatively General American or Inland North-ish dialects between the Upper Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic area there are a lot of things that are going on that are simply poorly documented (e.g. the widespread /l/-vocalization), only anecdotally documented (e.g. the very widespread /d/-elision and assimilation and the less but still significantly widespread /t d n/-elision beyond merely the trivial /n/ before /t/ case), or seemingly not documented at all (e.g. the generalized alveolar apical/laminal and postalveolar palatoalveolar/alveolopalatal allophony). And that is just scratching the surface of things; to get a good picture of what is actually going on here in North America, we need better documentation of far more than that.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Even worse, there are AmE dialects that are dying out without (AFAIK) proper documentation. Conservative Southern Midland, for example. (characterized by /ɪ/-raising in environments that I haven't worked out, and a more rigid stress system than more innovative dialects, so 'derivative' and 'Ohio' are /dəˌrɪvəˈɾiv/ and something like /ˌoˈhai̯ə/ or /əʷˈhaiə/)
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nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
My question for a good while now has been why the fuck is my dialect doing so well...Nortaneous wrote:Even worse, there are AmE dialects that are dying out without (AFAIK) proper documentation. Conservative Southern Midland, for example. (characterized by /ɪ/-raising in environments that I haven't worked out, and a more rigid stress system than more innovative dialects, so 'derivative' and 'Ohio' are /dəˌrɪvəˈɾiv/ and something like /ˌoˈhai̯ə/ or /əʷˈhaiə/)
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Its fascist monopoly on the cheese market, of course.Travis B. wrote:My question for a good while now has been why the fuck is my dialect doing so well...Nortaneous wrote:Even worse, there are AmE dialects that are dying out without (AFAIK) proper documentation. Conservative Southern Midland, for example. (characterized by /ɪ/-raising in environments that I haven't worked out, and a more rigid stress system than more innovative dialects, so 'derivative' and 'Ohio' are /dəˌrɪvəˈɾiv/ and something like /ˌoˈhai̯ə/ or /əʷˈhaiə/)
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
But we don't really make cheese in Milwaukee...Drydic Guy wrote:Its fascist monopoly on the cheese market, of course.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
HAPPY for me too. [%wIkI\"pi:4i3], ["wIki]. And the computer I'm writing from can't write IPA.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Around here it's because our local dialect is not only not stigmatized, it's considered a part of our local cultural prideTravis B. wrote:My question for a good while now has been why the fuck is my dialect doing so well...Nortaneous wrote:Even worse, there are AmE dialects that are dying out without (AFAIK) proper documentation. Conservative Southern Midland, for example. (characterized by /ɪ/-raising in environments that I haven't worked out, and a more rigid stress system than more innovative dialects, so 'derivative' and 'Ohio' are /dəˌrɪvəˈɾiv/ and something like /ˌoˈhai̯ə/ or /əʷˈhaiə/)
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
[ˈwiːkiˈpʰiːdiə] or maybe [ˈwiːkiˈpʰiːɾiə]
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Weakypedia?
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Sounds better to me than Wickypedia.finlay wrote:Weakypedia?
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If I stop posting out of the blue it probably is because my computer and the board won't cooperate and let me log in.!
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Same.Peacekeeper wrote:I think I pronounce it /wɪkɪ'pi:dɪə/ in English
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
With the /ɪ/ in hiatus there?, not /i(:)/ or /j/? Or (and I am actually asking both of you here), is /ɪə/ supposed to be a single diphthong segment (as shows up various English varieties) there?Guitarplayer wrote:Same.Peacekeeper wrote:I think I pronounce it /wɪkɪ'pi:dɪə/ in English
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Oh wait, I didn't read carefully
It's /wɪkiˈpiːdiə/ for me, in English, but indeed with vowel hiatus. I've already posted my German.
It's /wɪkiˈpiːdiə/ for me, in English, but indeed with vowel hiatus. I've already posted my German.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
On closer analysis, yeah, the same applies for me. It's definitely /wɪkiˈpiːdiə/. Thanks for pointing it out, Travis B.Guitarplayer wrote:It's /wɪkiˈpiːdiə/ for me, in English, but indeed with vowel hiatus.
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
[wikipedia]
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
No way!cromulant wrote:[wikipedia]
Which dialect do you speak? Is English your native language?
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Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Normally I'd say, in Dutch, something in between [ʋikiˈpedija] and [ʋikiˈpeɪdija], but trying to speak English it would become something like [wɪkʰɪpʰiːdijə] I think, although I'm not sure if I actually aspirate the [k]. Hmm, guess I don't. Btw, rather off topic, but is there a symbol to denote a sound one makes by putting the lower lip against the upper teeth and letting the air escape at the sides, but not in the middle, and creating no friction? Could you call something like that a labiodental lateral approximant? I mean as opposed to [v], which also mostly has the air escaping at the sides, but which is a fricative. Well, if there is, I should use that symbol instead of [ʋ].
χʁɵn̩
gʁonɛ̃g
gɾɪ̃slɑ̃
gʁonɛ̃g
gɾɪ̃slɑ̃
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Now, I cannot help but wonder how many of you would actually frequently pronounce what is transcribed above phonemically as /di(ː)/ or /dj/ or phonetically as [di(ː)], [ɾi(ː)], [dj], or [ɾj] instead as [jː] in everyday speech.
The reason why I say that is that it seems to be pretty much the normal realization in everyday speech of unstressed /di(ː)/~/dj/ before another vowel in northern/eastern General American and Inland North-oid varieties (e.g. in radio), with pronunciations like yours being at least a little more careful in varieties that have this.
I myself would carefully pronounce Wikipedia as [ˌwɪkiˈpʰiːɾiːə(ː)], from /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/, but I was giving my normal, everyday pronunciation earlier, which includes this particular realization.
The reason why I say that is that it seems to be pretty much the normal realization in everyday speech of unstressed /di(ː)/~/dj/ before another vowel in northern/eastern General American and Inland North-oid varieties (e.g. in radio), with pronunciations like yours being at least a little more careful in varieties that have this.
I myself would carefully pronounce Wikipedia as [ˌwɪkiˈpʰiːɾiːə(ː)], from /ˌwɪkiˈpidiə/, but I was giving my normal, everyday pronunciation earlier, which includes this particular realization.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
No. Maybe [ɾi] rather than [di] though.Travis B. wrote:Now, I cannot help but wonder how many of you would actually frequently pronounce what is transcribed above phonemically as /di(ː)/ or /dj/ or phonetically as [di(ː)], [ɾi(ː)], [dj], or [ɾj] instead as [jː] in everyday speech.
Re: How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?
Why do you say no categorically (especially since what I am referring to is not something that would show up in any varieties you have any daily contact with anyway)?finlay wrote:No. Maybe [ɾi] rather than [di] though.Travis B. wrote:Now, I cannot help but wonder how many of you would actually frequently pronounce what is transcribed above phonemically as /di(ː)/ or /dj/ or phonetically as [di(ː)], [ɾi(ː)], [dj], or [ɾj] instead as [jː] in everyday speech.
As for the latter, that I too did wonder quite a bit about, as I strongly doubted that that was actually realized as [d] there...
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.