Re: Help me with semantic examples! (from Zomp's blog)

[Salmoneus]

WHEN TRUCKS ATTACK

Yeah, both of those are just cars. One might be a 'pick-up truck', but it's still not a truck.
Echoing the earlier definitions - lorries are the container things, while trucks are the big heavy specialised-purpose things, often with machinery on them and giant wheels and whatnot. Small lorries (and without articulation) are vans.

There is still some overlap. Big enough lorries might become trucks. And lorry-drivers can still be called 'truckers', though if anything I get the feeling this is getting less common. But two notable citations to the contrary are the Terry Prachett novel 'Truckers', and the Not the Nine O'Clock News parody song, "I Like Trucking" (chorus: 'I like trucking, I like trucking, I like trucking and I like to truck').

[Drydic]

WHEN TRUCKS ATTACK

Yeah, both of those are just cars. One might be a 'pick-up truck', but it's still not a truck.
Echoing the earlier definitions - lorries are the container things, while trucks are the big heavy specialised-purpose things, often with machinery on them and giant wheels and whatnot. Small lorries (and without articulation) are vans.

There is still some overlap. Big enough lorries might become trucks. And lorry-drivers can still be called 'truckers', though if anything I get the feeling this is getting less common. But two notable citations to the contrary are the Terry Prachett novel 'Truckers', and the Not the Nine O'Clock News parody song, "I Like Trucking" (chorus: 'I like trucking, I like trucking, I like trucking and I like to truck').

You speak of British. Your definitions in this matter are wrong for American. Remember this.

[Salmoneus]

WHEN TRUCKS ATTACK

Yeah, both of those are just cars. One might be a 'pick-up truck', but it's still not a truck.
Echoing the earlier definitions - lorries are the container things, while trucks are the big heavy specialised-purpose things, often with machinery on them and giant wheels and whatnot. Small lorries (and without articulation) are vans.

There is still some overlap. Big enough lorries might become trucks. And lorry-drivers can still be called 'truckers', though if anything I get the feeling this is getting less common. But two notable citations to the contrary are the Terry Prachett novel 'Truckers', and the Not the Nine O'Clock News parody song, "I Like Trucking" (chorus: 'I like trucking, I like trucking, I like trucking and I like to truck').

You speak of British. Your definitions in this matter are wrong for American. Remember this.

Thank you, Drydic. As always, leaving no stone left unturned in the obsessive need to assume that I'm A TOTAL FUCKING MORON.

Read the fucking thread. It is perfectly clear from context that I am, like the 'earlier definitions' I'm 'echoing' talking about MY DIALECT NOT YOURS.

So fuck off.
[NB neither Finlay nor Kathie specified that they were not talking about American, but you didn't jump on them. But every fucking time I talk about my dialect you feel the need to yell BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS AMERICAN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN DON'T YOU KNOW THAT AMERICANS SPEAK DIFFERENT. That might have been excusable the first time, but after I've addressed the issue fifty times already and gone out of my way to add 'IMD's whenever I remember, just to get you to shut up, it's no longer valid but mistaken criticism, it's just fucking harrassment. Particularly since, as I just pointed out, it's not a general failure on your part to understand context, it's limited purely to attacking ME. So, to restate, FUCK OFF.]

[Thry]

Hey chill down. Call the mods!!! [oh wait...] Serafín does that to me all the time and I just call him a neutrality nazi and do voodoo to him secretly but I don't let it get me.

[Drydic]

WHEN TRUCKS ATTACK

Yeah, both of those are just cars. One might be a 'pick-up truck', but it's still not a truck.
Echoing the earlier definitions - lorries are the container things, while trucks are the big heavy specialised-purpose things, often with machinery on them and giant wheels and whatnot. Small lorries (and without articulation) are vans.

There is still some overlap. Big enough lorries might become trucks. And lorry-drivers can still be called 'truckers', though if anything I get the feeling this is getting less common. But two notable citations to the contrary are the Terry Prachett novel 'Truckers', and the Not the Nine O'Clock News parody song, "I Like Trucking" (chorus: 'I like trucking, I like trucking, I like trucking and I like to truck').

You speak of British. Your definitions in this matter are wrong for American. Remember this.

Thank you, Drydic. As always, leaving no stone left unturned in the obsessive need to assume that I'm A TOTAL FUCKING MORON.

Read the fucking thread. It is perfectly clear from context that I am, like the 'earlier definitions' I'm 'echoing' talking about MY DIALECT NOT YOURS.

So fuck off.
[NB neither Finlay nor Kathie specified that they were not talking about American, but you didn't jump on them. But every fucking time I talk about my dialect you feel the need to yell BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS AMERICAN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN DON'T YOU KNOW THAT AMERICANS SPEAK DIFFERENT. That might have been excusable the first time, but after I've addressed the issue fifty times already and gone out of my way to add 'IMD's whenever I remember, just to get you to shut up, it's no longer valid but mistaken criticism, it's just fucking harrassment. Particularly since, as I just pointed out, it's not a general failure on your part to understand context, it's limited purely to attacking ME. So, to restate, FUCK OFF.]

It's not my fault you nearly always speak as if what you're saying is the only right way. Your 'I'm just describing my dialect' and your 'this is the perfect and only way English is and should ever be used' are identical.

[Thry]

So assume the second one is the one that needs to be marked and save you both bile.

[finlay]

WHEN TRUCKS ATTACK

Yeah, both of those are just cars. One might be a 'pick-up truck', but it's still not a truck.
Echoing the earlier definitions - lorries are the container things, while trucks are the big heavy specialised-purpose things, often with machinery on them and giant wheels and whatnot. Small lorries (and without articulation) are vans.

There is still some overlap. Big enough lorries might become trucks. And lorry-drivers can still be called 'truckers', though if anything I get the feeling this is getting less common. But two notable citations to the contrary are the Terry Prachett novel 'Truckers', and the Not the Nine O'Clock News parody song, "I Like Trucking" (chorus: 'I like trucking, I like trucking, I like trucking and I like to truck').

You speak of British. Your definitions in this matter are wrong for American. Remember this.

Thank you, Drydic. As always, leaving no stone left unturned in the obsessive need to assume that I'm A TOTAL FUCKING MORON.

Read the fucking thread. It is perfectly clear from context that I am, like the 'earlier definitions' I'm 'echoing' talking about MY DIALECT NOT YOURS.

So fuck off.
[NB neither Finlay nor Kathie specified that they were not talking about American, but you didn't jump on them. But every fucking time I talk about my dialect you feel the need to yell BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS AMERICAN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN DON'T YOU KNOW THAT AMERICANS SPEAK DIFFERENT. That might have been excusable the first time, but after I've addressed the issue fifty times already and gone out of my way to add 'IMD's whenever I remember, just to get you to shut up, it's no longer valid but mistaken criticism, it's just fucking harrassment. Particularly since, as I just pointed out, it's not a general failure on your part to understand context, it's limited purely to attacking ME. So, to restate, FUCK OFF.]

Um no I agree with Drydic: you still haven't learnt how to express the difference between "correct English" and "my dialect" properly, and you talk like that every time.

But anyway, pick-up trucks are a funny area for me because we don't actually have them in the UK, hence the confusion about whether it's a "truck" or a "car". As I mentioned before, lorry is quite a narrowly defined category, as is van, so it can't be either of those, but I can't in earnest look at that and say it's a car, either.

[clawgrip]

Yeah, both of those are just cars. One might be a 'pick-up truck', but it's still not a truck.

Read the fucking thread. It is perfectly clear from context that I am, like the 'earlier definitions' I'm 'echoing' talking about MY DIALECT NOT YOURS.

It was not clear from context. Whether or not it was your intention, you looked like you were correcting his usage of the word, especially starting out your reply with "Yeah" like that.

[Kereb]

I would just like to point out (constructively, I hope!! -- I'm not trying to just hurt your feelings for nothing) that this ties in closely with things that I have also said in private about That Thing You Do A Lot ...

[zompist]

I went through the thread again to grab Unicode and make a list of people to acknowledge:

Terra, Yiuel, clawgrip, finlay, Serafín, Astraios, Chuma, Qwynegold, gach, Chibi, Ars Lande, Yaali Annar, Pole, Imralu, Nesescosac, Ran, hwhatting, Corundum, linguoboy, Ulrike Meinhof, FearfulJesuit, Radius Solis, Soren

With the exception of Yiuel, hwhatting, Radius, and linguoboy, I don't know your real names. If you want to be listed under them, reply here or by PM.

[finlay]

Sure...well you know my first name already actually, and my surname is Chalmers. Not really secret and i guess you can probably see my email address.

[Terra]

So, which/how many examples are you using?

[Astraios]

Yosi Bellman.

[zompist]

Terra: I didn't count, but most of them, minus duplicates.

[Pole, the]

Oh, tell me when I can print that and put it above my bed!

[Ser]

I just hope this project will have something better on derivational morphology than the little that both LCKs and ALC have...

Also:

[11:07] <YaaliAnnar> A lot of noun > adjective derivation in English is done in the reverse order in Indonesian.
[11:07] <YaaliAnnar> Like health (kesehatan) is from healthy (sehat)
[11:07] <YaaliAnnar> (Balance and balanced are keseimbangan and seimbang)
[11:08] <YaaliAnnar> Scale is timbangan and balance as a verb is -timbang

[clawgrip]

Similarly, Japanese and English are often opposite when it comes to deriving nouns and verbs, particularly in words less common in everyday speech:

conclude – ketsuron suru
conclusion – ketsuron

fluctuate - hendō suru
fluctuation - hendō

graduate - sotsugyō suru
graduation – sotsugyō

cremate – kasō suru
cremation – kasō

ferment - hakkō suru
fermentation – hakkō

take pictures - satsuei suru
picture taking - satsuei

open (a store) – kaiten suru
opening (of a store) – kaiten

[Ser]

<YaaliAnnar> By the way I think German has the same direction as Indonesian for healthy and health.
<YaaliAnnar> gesund > gesundheit!

[Qwynegold]

I went through the thread again to grab Unicode and make a list of people to acknowledge:

Terra, Yiuel, clawgrip, finlay, Serafín, Astraios, Chuma, Qwynegold, gach, Chibi, Ars Lande, Yaali Annar, Pole, Imralu, Nesescosac, Ran, hwhatting, Corundum, linguoboy, Ulrike Meinhof, FearfulJesuit, Radius Solis, Soren

With the exception of Yiuel, hwhatting, Radius, and linguoboy, I don't know your real names. If you want to be listed under them, reply here or by PM.

Just Qwynegold is okay for me. But what is this Lexipedia that you mentioned in your blog post?