Maori

[Kuturere Reo]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

[Turtlehead]

So did EP descend from Tongan or Samoan?

Do you even know how linguistic taxonomy works, what it tries to classify and what it means?

I was meaning the area, probably could have worded it a bit better.

[Turtlehead]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

So ancient Samoans and Tongans both migrated to EP?

[Skomakar'n]

Ka korero koe i te reo Maori?

Could you translate, gloss and transcribe the pronunciation of that?

Bonus: if you really can, also show the same sentence in [an]other polynesian language[s], and if not all words are the same, still show possible cognates.

BAMP

[Miekko]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

You seriously think so?

[Rodlox]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

France and Germany rarely agree with one another as much as they do about their reaction to your claim.

[Turtlehead]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

France and Germany rarely agree with one another as much as they do about their reaction to your claim.

Well at one point in the past the languages were spoken as the same language.

[Turtlehead]

Ka korero koe i te reo Maori?

Could you translate, gloss and transcribe the pronunciation of that?

Bonus: if you really can, also show the same sentence in [an]other polynesian language[s], and if not all words are the same, still show possible cognates.

BAMP

ka ko:rero koe i te reo Ma:ori?
TAM speak 2ndpp from/of the.s language Maori
You speak maori?

[Miekko]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

France and Germany rarely agree with one another as much as they do about their reaction to your claim.

Well at one point in the past the languages were spoken as the same language.

As were latin, russian and irish. Doesn't mean Latin is or descends from Russian. Learn how linguistic taxonomy works, you dolt.

[Herr Dunkel]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

I'd say it's more likely to be a dialect of Frisian, or vice versa. This, though, isn't commonly considered truth. They're both daughters of Proto-Anglo-Frisian

[Whimemsz]

This, though, isn't commonly considered truth.

Yes, in the sense than literally no one who is knowledgeable on the subject thinks this. Let alone thinks that English is a dialect of Dutch.

[Turtlehead]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

I'd say it's more likely to be a dialect of Frisian, or vice versa. This, though, isn't commonly considered truth. They're both daughters of Proto-Anglo-Frisian

So historical england first spoke celtic? then Latin/celto-latin, then the saxons angles and jutes came. Then Norwegians, and then Normans. Then it became its own language.

[Miekko]

Thanks for the welcomes! Turtlehead that was a silly question about EP. Like asking whether English descends from Dutch or German.

English is a dialect of Dutch

I'd say it's more likely to be a dialect of Frisian, or vice versa. This, though, isn't commonly considered truth. They're both daughters of Proto-Anglo-Frisian

So historical england first spoke celtic? then Latin/celto-latin, then the saxons angles and jutes came. Then Norwegians, and then Normans. Then it became its own language.

Waitwhat

[Whimemsz]

That's actually...kind of true? Just worded in a really terrible, simplistic and confusing way (because Turtlehead doesn't seem to be making a clear distinction between the English language and languages spoken on the British Isles at various times).

[Turtlehead]

That's actually...kind of true? Just worded in a really terrible, simplistic and confusing way (because Turtlehead doesn't seem to be making a clear distinction between the English language and languages spoken on the British Isles at various times).

Where as NZ has only had lost Melanesians, Maori (Primarily from the Cook Islands), Europeans and then every other group of people.

[Kereb]

No.
"where as" would suggest that your reply had something to do with what you were replying to

also the "so" in your previous post suggests that your reply somehow follows from what darkgamma had said

in both cases, total nonsense.


"English and Frisian are both daughters of Proto-Anglo Frisian..."
"Oh, so England first spoke Celtic, and then Latin, and then ....??"

No.
It's like you might as well be replying to the ceiling fan.

"Turtlehead isn't making a distinction between languages spoken at different times in the same place, and languages that developed into one another"
"Yeah, but on the other hand you've got New Zealand, which had Melanesians, and Maori, and..."

No.
It's like your reply might as well have been incidentally said by someone walking past having a conversation on their cell phone.

Are you just quoting the last thing you happened to look at, whether your reply concerns it or not?

[Kuturere Reo]

Where as NZ has only had lost Melanesians, Maori (Primarily from the Cook Islands), Europeans and then every other group of people.

TH also tends to present suppositions - and ideas for which there is no evidence - as facts. No evidence for lost Melanesians nor is there any conclusive evidence for which EP area Māori primarily came from. Similarly with his sound changes list. His posts are so full of half-truths that it's hard to find a way to reply to them.

[Whimemsz]

His posts are so full of half-truths that it's hard to find a way to reply to them.

You might have noticed by now, but most of us who've been here a while have learned to reply with contempt and mockery. It can't hurt.

[Miekko]

(because Turtlehead doesn't seem to be making a clear distinction between the English language and languages spoken on the British Isles at various times).

Which contributes to the problem.

[Turtlehead]

(because Turtlehead doesn't seem to be making a clear distinction between the English language and languages spoken on the British Isles at various times).

Which contributes to the problem.

Could someone elaborate then?

[Turtlehead]

Where as NZ has only had lost Melanesians, Maori (Primarily from the Cook Islands), Europeans and then every other group of people.

TH also tends to present suppositions - and ideas for which there is no evidence - as facts. No evidence for lost Melanesians nor is there any conclusive evidence for which EP area Māori primarily came from. Similarly with his sound changes list. His posts are so full of half-truths that it's hard to find a way to reply to them.

I was reading a history paper which suggested that pre-polynesian NZ was occupied by a darker race of people and suggests they could have come from Melanesia, which helps with the fact that Maori culture has many features not found in Polynesia.

[Miekko]

(because Turtlehead doesn't seem to be making a clear distinction between the English language and languages spoken on the British Isles at various times).

Which contributes to the problem.

Could someone elaborate then?

Just try to think a bit about it? Let's see if you manage by yourself to figure out the problem with not understanding the distinction Whimemsz' post mentions.

Just fucking try thinking. It's not that fucking hard.

[Rodlox]

(because Turtlehead doesn't seem to be making a clear distinction between the English language and languages spoken on the British Isles at various times).

Which contributes to the problem.

Could someone elaborate then?

on which part?

[Rodlox]

Where as NZ has only had lost Melanesians, Maori (Primarily from the Cook Islands), Europeans and then every other group of people.

TH also tends to present suppositions - and ideas for which there is no evidence - as facts. No evidence for lost Melanesians nor is there any conclusive evidence for which EP area Māori primarily came from. Similarly with his sound changes list. His posts are so full of half-truths that it's hard to find a way to reply to them.

I was reading a history paper which suggested that pre-polynesian NZ was occupied by a darker race of people and suggests they could have come from Melanesia, which helps with the fact that Maori culture has many features not found in Polynesia.

and what features are those? holding eels in special regard?

[Kuturere Reo]

Where as NZ has only had lost Melanesians, Maori (Primarily from the Cook Islands), Europeans and then every other group of people.

TH also tends to present suppositions - and ideas for which there is no evidence - as facts. No evidence for lost Melanesians nor is there any conclusive evidence for which EP area Māori primarily came from. Similarly with his sound changes list. His posts are so full of half-truths that it's hard to find a way to reply to them.

I was reading a history paper which suggested that pre-polynesian NZ was occupied by a darker race of people and suggests they could have come from Melanesia, which helps with the fact that Maori culture has many features not found in Polynesia.

Serves you right for reading fringe websites. Wise up.