The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[TaylorS]

I have noticed that people around here, including me, lower /iː/ to [ɪː] before /ɹ/

beer: [pɪːɹˤ]
near: [nɪːɹˤ]
dear: [tɪːɹˤ]
steer: [stɪːɹˤ]

[Herr Dunkel]

I have noticed that people around here, including me, lower /iː/ to [ɪː] before /ɹ/

beer: [pɪːɹˤ]
near: [nɪːɹˤ]
dear: [tɪːɹˤ]
steer: [stɪːɹˤ]

=/ I'm getting less and less rhotic each day.

<beer> [bi͡a]
<near> [ni͡a]
<dear> [di͡a]
<steer> [sti͡a]
<last> [lɑːst]
<eaɡle> [ɪːɡəl] but neither [iːɣəl] nor [ɪːɡəɫ]

[Imralu]

I have noticed that people around here, including me, lower /iː/ to [ɪː] before /ɹ/

beer: [pɪːɹˤ]
near: [nɪːɹˤ]
dear: [tɪːɹˤ]
steer: [stɪːɹˤ]

I thought the coda of those syllables was /ɪr/ in General American English, not /iːr/.

Here in Australia, those words have /ɪə/, which is realised differently by different people. Some people always say [ɪː] - anecdotally that's particularly common around Sydney, but I'm not so sure. Some people have a very strong off-glide: [ɪɐ], but that tends to occur only word finally. (I once heard my neighbour's kid shouting [kʰaːːːːːːːːm hiːːːːːːːːːjaːːːːːːːː]). For example, I pronounce "cheer" somewhere between [tʃʰɪə] and [tʃʰɪɐ], but "cheers" is [tʃʰɪːz]. It can be compared to the allophony of the schwa here, where it may be lowered word finally, as in "remember" [ɹəˈmembɐ] but remembers [ɹəˈmembəz]

[communistplot]

I have noticed that people around here, including me, lower /iː/ to [ɪː] before /ɹ/

beer: [pɪːɹˤ]
near: [nɪːɹˤ]
dear: [tɪːɹˤ]
steer: [stɪːɹˤ]

For me those would be.

[biːə] or [bijə]
[niːə] or [nijə]
[diːə] or [dijə]
[stiːə] or [stijə]

I dunno how common this is at least in other dialects but the transformation of the rhotic to a palatal occurs fairly often for me, mainly in a stressed context.

[Bedelato]

I have beer [biɻˠ] etc.

Hey, you know what? Let me take a shot at one of these. How do you say...?

card
lard
bard
guard
barge
embargo
arbor
garb
carbon
garble

hard
barred
yard
large
cargo
harbor
marble

art
carp
ark
parse
arch
Arthur
scarf

It's a pretty long list, you don't have to do all of these if there's nothing special... If you're non-rhotic, you probably don't have what I'm looking for.

You might already know what I'm trying to test here, but just play along, OK? (I started a thread about it once, but I wanna bring it up again for the heck of it )

If you don't know, I have in my idiolect a sound change in which /ɑɹ/ gets raised to /ʌɹ/ before voiceless consonants and occasionally before voiced ones. No, the slashes are not a mistake; for me it produces a minimal pair barred /bɑɹd/ vs. bard /bʌɹd/. I think it's related to the so-called "Canadian raising" in which the first component of /ai/ and (for some speakers, not me) /au/ are raised in similar environments. Strangely, I haven't found much info about this.

[derkins]

I think all of mine are /ɑɹ/, but approaching [ʌɹ].

[Bob Johnson]

for me it produces a minimal pair barred /bɑɹd/ vs. bard /bʌɹd/

What do you have for <bird>?

Do <warrior> and <worrier> contrast? <war> and <were>? <far> and <for>?

[finlay]

If you don't know, I have in my idiolect a sound change in which /ɑɹ/ gets raised to /ʌɹ/ before voiceless consonants and occasionally before voiced ones. No, the slashes are not a mistake; for me it produces a minimal pair barred /bɑɹd/ vs. bard /bʌɹd/. I think it's related to the so-called "Canadian raising" in which the first component of /ai/ and (for some speakers, not me) /au/ are raised in similar environments. Strangely, I haven't found much info about this.

[] are still more appropriate, because you don't know enough to make a theoretical declaration about it. This could be the same sort of process that makes scottish accents have the minimal pair brewed [brʉːd] vs brood [brʉd] – except that I wouldn't then say that the accent has a length contrast only before /d/ (other instances of long vowels are conditioned by the following consonant – except that unlike most accents, there's usually no lengthening before voiced plosives); it's easier, simpler and makes more sense to say that there's a conditioning by the morpheme boundary, so that /bru#d/ and /brud/ are contrastive. It doesn't happen for me here, incidentally; both are [bɑːɻd]. I think this is because the thing is lengthened and backed before R anyway and the D can't affect it.

To make me happy that it's a "phoneme", in other words, try and find an monomorphemic minimal pair...

[Herr Dunkel]

card [kʰɑːd]
lard [lɑːd]
bard [bɑːd]
guard [ɡɑːd]
barge [bɑːd͡ʒ]
embargo [ɛmˈbɑːɡɜ͡ʊ]
arbor [ɑːbɐˑ]
garb [ɡɑːb]
carbon [kʰɑːb.n]
garble [ɡɑːb.l]

hard [hɑːd]
barred [bɑːd]
yard [jɑːd]
large [lɑːd͡ʒ]
cargo [kʰɑːɡɜ͡ʊ]
harbor [ɑːbɐˑ]
marble [mɑːb.l]

art [ɑːt]
carp [kɑːp]
ark [ɑːk]
parse [pɑːs]
arch [ɑːt͡ʃ]
Arthur [ɑːθə]
scarf [skɑːf]

Edit: Changed it to [phones]

[finlay]

we want to see [] in this thread. (because phonemes are essentially meaningless for telling us how you actually pronounce something)

[Risla]

I'd like to know how people pronounce 'triangle,' as I seem to be unable to nail down the IPA for how I pronounce it. I'd also like to know how people pronounce 'begin,' 'began' and 'begun'. I had another thing to ask about but I forgot it.

[Herr Dunkel]

I'd like to know how people pronounce 'triangle,' as I seem to be unable to nail down the IPA for how I pronounce it. I'd also like to know how people pronounce 'begin,' 'began' and 'begun'. I had another thing to ask about but I forgot it.

triangle /tɹa͡ɪ.æŋ.l/
begin /b(ə)ɡɪn/
began /b(ə)ɡæn/
begun /bɛɡʌn/

[Astraios]

triangle /tɹa͡ɪ.æŋ.l/

Incorrect.

[Rui]

pssst Astraios, he's non-native

[finlay]

which is why it's ok to correct him.

[Astraios]

Yes. And he can pronounce /g/ after /ŋ/, I just know it...

[Herr Dunkel]

Yes. And he can pronounce /g/ after /ŋ/, I just know it...

That's my German poking me in the ribs telling me not to.

[Astraios]

Poke it back!

[Herr Dunkel]

Poke it back!

[t͡ʃe.ɹʷɪ.æⁿɡ.l]

[Astraios]

Cherryangle?

[Herr Dunkel]

Cherryangle?

Exactly

[----]

Triangle is a mess of a word. [ʈʂɹa(j)æŋg.ʁ]

[Rui]

Triangle is a mess of a word. [ʈʂɹa(j)æŋg.ʁ]

Mine's similar, except with [ɑ] instead of [a] and [ɫ] instead of [ʁ]...and the [j] is definitely there. And actually I think I have [tʃ]. So it's not actually that similar at all, IPA-wise

So [tʃɹɑjæŋgɫ̩]

[finlay]

[ˈtʃɹɑˑjaŋgɫ̩] (or [ʈʂɻ-], [-aˑja-], [-ɑˑi.a-], [-əɫ], [-əw], [-u], etc)

I have a roughly-back ɑ in (allophonically long) /ai/ and a roughly-front a in /a/. I've transcribed in as [ɑja] because that's roughly accurate, although probably strictly speaking [ɑi̯.a] is better. The syllable boundary is definitely there either way; it's not [ɑ.ja].

My /ai/ is something like [ɜi] when allophonically short and [ɑˑi] when allophonically long, although I'm not hugely sure of the endpoint of the diphthong and these aren't set in stone; the startpoint can certainly be low-front as well as the two I've just listed. So, not entirely sure. Doesn't really matter too much.

[Lyhoko Leaci]

[tɹaɪɛəŋgʟ̩]

Or something.