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Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:22 am
by din
Abi wrote:Not a fan of implosive.
I walked past a family carrying a couch down the street the other day, and they spoke an African language with implosives. They kept yelling a word with an implosive B, and it was a little frightening, so I might have to agree.
Jabechasqvi wrote:Some things that I find unappealing to varying degrees:
— Uvular and pharyngeal consonants
— Schwas and other centralized vowels
— Dutch and especially Afrikaans
Boo!
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:37 am
by Rui
din wrote:Abi wrote:Not a fan of implosive.
I walked past a family carrying a couch down the street the other day, and they spoke an African language with implosives. They kept yelling a word with an implosive B, and it was a little frightening, so I might have to agree.
I'm sure that it sounding frightening had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they were yelling...
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:48 am
by din
No, it was definitely the implosive B.
I was attacked by a rolled R the other day, too. I no longer feel safe here.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:57 pm
by Haplogy
Jabechasqvi wrote:Some things that I find unappealing to varying degrees:
— Uvular and pharyngeal consonants
— Schwas and other centralized vowels
— Dutch and especially Afrikaans
Well fuck you too.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:11 pm
by Qwynegold
theweevil wrote:7. Geminate consonants, but mostly vowel length distinctions make my hair combust
tule
tuule
tulle
tulee
tuulle
tuulee
tullee
tuullee
Awaits human torch...
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:18 pm
by Aurora Rossa
Esmelthien wrote:Well fuck you too.
Which of those pisses you off?
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:19 pm
by Thry
Hint: Esmelthien's from the Netherlands.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:59 pm
by Haplogy
Jabechasqvi wrote:Esmelthien wrote:Well fuck you too.
Which of those pisses you off?
[tʋɑs m
ɐʀ ə̃ɴ ˈ
χʁɑp
ʲə, m
ɐʀ ɘk sp
ʁeɪ̯k sɛlf ˈned
əʀlɑnts, ɛn
ɜt ɨs m
ə ˈmud
əʀtaˑl, d
ɵz
ɘk fɪnt
ɜt ʋɛl ˈjɑm
əʀ dɑt
ɜt so ɔnaˑnˈt
ʁɛk
əl
ək klɪŋt f
ɵʀ jɑʊ̯.]
I quite like it myself
It was just a little joke, though.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:37 pm
by Xephyr
Esmelthien wrote:It was just a little joke, though.
No. Don't apologize for telling Eddy to fuck himself.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:29 pm
by Aurora Rossa
Xephyr wrote:No. Don't apologize for telling Eddy to fuck himself.
They asked what I disliked and I said it. I refuse to feel bad for responding to this question.
@Esmelthien: Don't take it too personally. I do not particularly dislike Dutch, although it does sound kind of silly to me. Now Afrikaans, on other hand, I do loathe, although I am still not sure whether I consider it a separate language or merely a dialect.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:54 pm
by Matt
Personally, I don't much care for very vowelly languages. CV syllables are boring. I suppose that might have something to do with me being a budding Slavicist.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:06 pm
by linguofreak
The practice of using "an" with words beginning with H's that the speaker doesn't drop, e.g, /{n hIstorIk ivEnt/, rather than /@ hIstorIk ivEnt/ or /{n IstorIk ivEnt/.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:02 am
by L'alphabētarium
linguofreak wrote:The practice of using "an" with words beginning with H's that the speaker doesn't drop, e.g, /{n hIstorIk ivEnt/, rather than /@ hIstorIk ivEnt/ or /{n IstorIk ivEnt/.
Now that depends on the "H" word;
an historic sounds fine to me, but
an history doesn't.
I think it's one of those cases of English "borrowing" Latin or Greek words and it's not quite certain yet if it's going to pronounce the initial "H" or not. Most Romance languages drop the initial "H" (either just in speech or even in speech
and in writing) and the initial "rough breathing" of Ancient Greek is neither written nor pronounced in modern Greek, though it's written in Latin borrowings from Greek: (lat)
hora from (gr)
ὥρα, (lat)
Hellas from (gr)
Ἑλλάς, etc...
English
history from Latin
historia, ultimately from Ancient Greek
ἱστορία is one of those words too.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:27 am
by Thry
I would keep the /h/ in historical but not in historic.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:33 am
by Izambri
I dislike clicks. And to a lesser degree, implosives.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:30 pm
by Melteor
I dislike European languages that don't include [e E], fine as allophones. Probably showing my English bias. I like at least 7 cardinal vowels.
I also found that I like moderate sized consonant inventories, which is the main reason I prefer a ceceo accent in my Spanish...I am also ambivalent towards approximant + vowel & diphthong combinations.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:34 am
by Thry
meltman wrote:I also found that I like moderate sized consonant inventories, which is the main reason I prefer a ceceo accent in my Spanish...I am also ambivalent towards approximant + vowel & diphthong combinations.
This doesn't make sense.
ceceo is, by definition, the complete substitution of /s/ with /T/, so that the phoneme inventory is the same size as that of variety with
seseo (which is the total substitution of /T/ with /s/).
If you are talking about the distinction of /T/ and /s/, it's a variety with
distinción (such as mine), and I'm glad you speak it.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:41 am
by abaddamn
Excuse me for being a bit on the extreme, but these I don't like at all:
[ɰxɣχʁħʕʀɢʔ ƥɓƈʄƙɠʠʛ]
Velar fricatives, pharyngeals, ugh. Implosives too.
Why not just do aspirates instead? No need to force so much energy into a stop-release event that just sounds weaker than an aspirated plosive.
Clicks on the other hand, can be fun for making interesting silent non plosive rythms for say beatboxing. e.g [ʘʔǁǂ.ʘʔǁ, ǂɬʘ]
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:06 am
by theweevil
Vuvuzela wrote:I don't like ↗ languages, especially ↗dialects of ↗English with rising intonation at the ends of ↗statements. (Like some younger female speakers from southern California or, more egregiously, imitations thereof.)
I'm in the middle of that I feel your pain
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:19 am
by JasonK
Vuvuzela wrote:I don't like ↗ languages, especially ↗dialects of ↗English with rising intonation at the ends of ↗statements. (Like some younger female speakers from southern California or, more egregiously, imitations thereof.)
Since moving to Australia I've noticed myself doing this more and more. Every time I catch myself I feel disappointed...
I'm not a fan of rhotic English, or the use of /ʉː/ in AusE.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:45 pm
by kuroda
While everyone is entitled to their personal opinions, I prefer to limit my hatred to objective facts, e.g., that front rounded vowels and palatalization are evil and wrong.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:35 pm
by Pinetree
kuroda wrote:While everyone is entitled to their personal opinions, I prefer to limit my hatred to objective facts, e.g., that front rounded vowels and palatalization are evil and wrong.
Høy cʲertʲeʏn ar ju øf ðʲe øbdʒʲectyvyti øf ðʲat?
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:53 pm
by kuroda
Hubris Incalculable wrote:Høy cʲertʲeʏn ar ju øf ðʲe øbdʒʲectyvyti øf ðʲat?
Absolute certainty! I'm inclined to attribute the bizarre and saddening belief in the subjectivity of linguistic aesthetics to, yes, palatalization toxicity syndrome.
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:13 am
by ol bofosh
But I like my [ʏ ʏə ʏː] and [œː]. It's distinctive!
Re: Phonological features* you dislike...
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:49 pm
by Bryan
linguoboy wrote:Abi wrote:I don't like nom rhotic accents in English, even more so if they're American (bahstuhn).
I think nom rhotic accents are delicious!
Rhotic English makes me wanna puke from arse outta my mouth. Apart from West Country.