The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[Herr Dunkel]

/kyreniʊs/

I doubt anyone pronounced it that way, ever.

Look at German orthography: <c> is /k/ before <ä ö e i> and <y> can be read as /y/ when nuclear (that's what I do atleast)

Except that <c> as /k/ in most of those positions is in Germanic words; in anything remotely Latinate-oid, loans from Greek through Latin included, <c> before a mid to high front vowel indicates /ts/ to the best of my knowledge...

That was my first impression as well, but Wikipedia says it doesn't happen before /y/

[jmcd]

<kept> [kʰɛʔpt]
<fifths> [fiθs]
<fifth> [fiθ]
<strengths> [stɾɛnhs]
<strength> [stɾɛnθ]
<isthmus> [ˈɪshməs]
<asthma> [ˈasmə]

[Herr Dunkel]

<kept> [kʰɛʔpt]

And what is the nucleus in the presumed second syllable?

[Astraios]

And what is the nucleus in the presumed second syllable?

You think final /?pt/ is impossible without a vowel after it?

[Herr Dunkel]

And what is the nucleus in the presumed second syllable?

You think final /?pt/ is impossible without a vowel after it?

That's the first English three stop coda I'd've seen, then, assuming it be so.

[jmcd]

<kept> [kʰɛʔpt]

And what is the nucleus in the presumed second syllable?

No second syllable. Admittedly it might've been better to put the glottal stop as superscript though. Like so: [kʰɛˀpt]

[finlay]

And what is the nucleus in the presumed second syllable?

You think final /?pt/ is impossible without a vowel after it?

That's the first English three stop coda I'd've seen, then, assuming it be so.

It's not a three-stop coda, though. ʔp is one stop.

I usually find that if the p has glottal reinforcement like this, t is often ejective too, at least in isolation...

[jmcd]

Now that you mention it, that may well be the case. Certainly the glottalisation does continue into the second plosive.

[Travis B.]

Transcribing preglottalization in English right is hard without resorting to mere convention. On one hand, it actually involves changing the preceding vowels' phonation, as far as I have observed and I have occasionally seen others mark, to probably be somewhere in the area of stiff voice. On the other hand, it also involves glottal coarticulation, which in turn in some environments may allow ejectivity, with the plosive itself.

I myself transcribe it with just a glottal stop separating the vowel from the consonant, as has been done here, as a convention that is understood to mark all of this, without having to festoon both the vowel and the consonant with diacritics, just like it is an extremely common convention to mark affricates without a tie bar.

[TaylorS]

quiet
quite

[kʰwaɪ̯ɨ̞ʔ]
[kʰwɜɪ̯ʔ]

[TaylorS]

Amateur

[ˈɛə̯məˌʧʰɚˤ]

[TaylorS]

Bumping a sort of old thread- how do you guys say the word 'preface', as in, the beginning of a text, especially books?

[ˈpʰɹˤɛfɨ̞s]

[TaylorS]

I would say that name [saɪˈɹinijɨs] if I read it.

How do you guys pronounce 'kept', 'fifths', and 'strengths'?

[kʰɛʔpt]
[fɪθs]
[ʃʧɹˤẽːθs] ~ [ʃɹˤẽːθs]

[TaylorS]

likewise <isthmus> [ˈɪs(ː).məs]

isthmus: [ˈɪθmɨ̞s]
asthma: [ˈɛə̯zmə]

[Bob Johnson]

isthmus: [ˈɪθmɨ̞s]

spelling pronunciation?

[TaylorS]

isthmus: [ˈɪθmɨ̞s]

spelling pronunciation?

That's how I learned to say it. *SHRUG*

[Travis B.]

kept: /ˈkɜp/ > [ˈkʰɜʔp], carefully /ˈkɜpt/ > [ˈkʰɜʔpt] (these are marked as phonemically distinct, as this does not seem to apply to all cases of final /pt/ or even all verbs ending in /p/)
capped: /ˈkʰɛpt/ > [ˈkʰɛʔpt] (to contrast, in that this only has the /pt/ and not the /p/ form)
fifths: /ˈfɪθs/ > [ˈfɪs̻ː], carefully [ˈfɪθs̻]
fifth: /ˈfɪθ/ > [ˈfɪθ]
strengths: /ˈstreŋkθs/ > [ˈɕtɕr̠͡ɰˤẽŋks̻ː], carefully [ˈɕtɕr̠͡ɰˤẽŋkθs̻]
strength: /ˈstreŋkθ/ > [ˈɕtɕr̠͡ɰˤẽŋkθ]
isthmus: /ˈɪzmɪs/ > [ˈɪːz̻̥mɨs]
asthma: /ˈɛzmə/ > [ˈɛːz̻̥mə(ː)]

[Travis B.]

I do note that there might be some pattern in some dialects of reducing irregular weak verbs so they do not take their -/(ɪ)d/~/t/ ending anymore in the preterite or past participle, but are still distinguished by stem changes. In addition to kept, two examples that strongly stick out to me of this in my dialect are:

sold: /ˈsol/ (or should that be /ˈsoːl/?) > [ˈsoːʊ̯], carefully /ˈsold/ > [ˈsoːʊ̯d̥]
told: /ˈtol/ (or should that be /ˈtoːl/?) > [ˈtʰoːʊ̯], carefully /ˈtold/ > [ˈtʰoːʊ̯d̥]

While I have a strong tendency to drop /d/ between sonorants finally anyways, this happens far more frequently in these words than in other similar words like cold, bold, fold, mold, rolled, trolled, etc. to an extent that it seems to be a lexicalized morphophonological change here and not mere reduction or allophony.

[communistplot]

kept: [kɛpt]
capped: [kæpt]
fifths: [fɪfθs]
fifth: [fɪf]
strengths: [st͡ʃɹɛˤŋkθs]
strength: [st͡ʃɹɛˤŋkθ]
isthmus: [ɪstmʊs]
asthma: [æːzmə]
And, adding dos more to the mix. :0
winter: [wɪnnə]
winner: [wɪnnə]

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Another consonant cluster reduction study- How do you guys say "correctly"?

[Bob Johnson]

I say it correctly of course

[Astraios]

Incorrectly.

EDIT: Damn you BJ. I thought of it first.

[communistplot]

Another consonant cluster reduction study- How do you guys say "correctly"?

[kʰɔɹɛkli], [kʰɔɹɛktli] in careful speech.

[finlay]

[kʰɚˈɻɛʔɫi]

possibly with an unreleased k, and it's possible for me to pronounce the t but i don't think I ever do so.

[Travis B.]

winter: /ˈwɪntər/ > [ˈwɪ̃ɾ̃ʁ̩ˤ(ː)]~[ˈwɪ̃̂ːʁˤ]
winner: /ˈwɪnər/ > [ˈwɪ̃ːnʁ̩ˤ(ː)]~[ˈwɪ̃̂ːːʁˤ]
correctly: /kəˈrɜkli/ > [kʰʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔkɰi(ː)], carefully /kəˈrɜktli/ > [kʰʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔktɰi(ː)], more carefully /koˈrɜktli/ > [kʰɔːˈɰˤɜʔktɰi(ː)]