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Eandil wrote:
Izambri wrote:Herberge, of course!!!

I know it reminded me of a close word, but I wasn't suspecting it was so close: Catalan alberg, which according to Alcover-Moll comes from Old High-German heriberga or Gothic *haribergo (REW 4045). In Commonitorium Palladii (10th century Italian document) appears the latinized form alipergum "camp" (Rom. Forsch., vi, 209).
That means also Spanish albergue is related :o
And the Italian albergo... and the french auberge, I suppose.

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What about aubergine? Is the original meaning then "the little vegetable that grew in the camp"?

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bulbaquil wrote:Curiously, many of my favorite-sounding words tend to start with B.
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bulbaquil wrote:Curiously, many of my favorite-sounding words tend to start with B.
Is that why your username is bulbaquil?
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Shm Jay wrote:What about aubergine? Is the original meaning then "the little vegetable that grew in the camp"?
Interesting question. According to the Alcover-Moll, Catalan albergínia comes from Arab al-bādinjāna.

And doing a quick research with that word I found this: "ETIM.: de l'àr. vg. al-bedenǧéna o al-bādinjāna (cl. bādänǧāna), der. del persa bādingān íd., potser a través d'una forma morisca tardana *al-berǧina."

So it seems the last known origin is Persian bādingān.

And doing again a quick research with that Persian word I found this: "Origin: 1785–95; < French < Catalan albargínia < Arabic al the + bādhinjān eggplant < Persian bādingān perhaps < Indo-Aryan; compare Sanskrit vātiṅgaṇaḥ."
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Izambri wrote:
Shm Jay wrote:What about aubergine? Is the original meaning then "the little vegetable that grew in the camp"?
Interesting question. According to the Alcover-Moll, Catalan albergínia comes from Arab al-bādinjāna.

And doing a quick research with that word I found this: "ETIM.: de l'àr. vg. al-bedenǧéna o al-bādinjāna (cl. bādänǧāna), der. del persa bādingān íd., potser a través d'una forma morisca tardana *al-berǧina."

So it seems the last known origin is Persian bādingān.

And doing again a quick research with that Persian word I found this: "Origin: 1785–95; < French < Catalan albargínia < Arabic al the + bādhinjān eggplant < Persian bādingān perhaps < Indo-Aryan; compare Sanskrit vātiṅgaṇaḥ."
Interestingly, the Italian term melanzana has the same origin.

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Izambri wrote:
Shm Jay wrote:What about aubergine? Is the original meaning then "the little vegetable that grew in the camp"?
Interesting question. According to the Alcover-Moll, Catalan albergínia comes from Arab al-bādinjāna.

And doing a quick research with that word I found this: "ETIM.: de l'àr. vg. al-bedenǧéna o al-bādinjāna (cl. bādänǧāna), der. del persa bādingān íd., potser a través d'una forma morisca tardana *al-berǧina."
Although I knew that, I wish I had a medieval book on cookery in which aubergines are mentioned, and if there's any folk-etymological cross-contamination going on.
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Amphimacer. Pretty much any word containing a machine-gun sequence of lax, high vowels—synecdoche and soliloquy qualify.
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MisterBernie wrote:
Izambri wrote:
Shm Jay wrote:What about aubergine? Is the original meaning then "the little vegetable that grew in the camp"?
Interesting question. According to the Alcover-Moll, Catalan albergínia comes from Arab al-bādinjāna.

And doing a quick research with that word I found this: "ETIM.: de l'àr. vg. al-bedenǧéna o al-bādinjāna (cl. bādänǧāna), der. del persa bādingān íd., potser a través d'una forma morisca tardana *al-berǧina."
Although I knew that, I wish I had a medieval book on cookery in which aubergines are mentioned, and if there's any folk-etymological cross-contamination going on.
Aubergines are mentioned in two Catalan cook books, Llibre del Coch (16th cent.) and Llibre de Sent Soví (14th cent.). In both caes it seems it appears as albergínia and aubergínia (due to labialization of [ɫ]), like the modern name.

Besides albergínia and aubergínia other modern pronounciations are [alβaɾʧínia] (Carlet); [alβaɾʤíɲ] (Vinaròs); [alβeɾʧíno] (Tamarit); [albeɾʧíɲa] (València, Alcalà de X.); [aɫβaɾġína] (Cullera); [aɫβaɾʤínɛ] (Alcoi); [aɫβaɾʧína] (Gandia); [alβeɾʤínia] (Pl. de Castelló, Maestrat); [azβəɾʒíniɛ] (Granyena); [əzβəɾʒíniɛ] (Sta. Col. de Q.); [əzβəɾʒíniə] (Barc., Empordà); [əwβəɾʒíni] (Vendrell, Mall.); [əwβəɾʒíniə] (Berga, Montmaneu, Valls, Artà, Men.); [awβəɾʒíniɛ] (Granyena, Sta. Col. de Q.); [awβeɾʤíniɛ] (Urgell); [awβeɾʤínia], [awβeɾʤíɲa] (Tortosa); [əwβəɾʒínia] (Solsona); [əwβɾəʒíniə], [uβɾəʒíniə] (Ciutadella); [bəɾʒíniə] (Llofriu); [uβəɾʒέniə] (Eivissa); [uβəɾʒíniə] (Migjorn-Gran.); [alβaɾʤéɲa] (Elx).
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Is "Migjorn-Gran" the "Es Migjorn Gran" of Minorca?
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Bristel wrote:Is "Migjorn-Gran" the "Es Migjorn Gran" of Minorca?
Sí senyor.
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Izambri wrote:
Bristel wrote:Is "Migjorn-Gran" the "Es Migjorn Gran" of Minorca?
Sí senyor.
The oldest citizen in Spain lives there. :)
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Bristel wrote:
Izambri wrote:
Bristel wrote:Is "Migjorn-Gran" the "Es Migjorn Gran" of Minorca?
Sí senyor.
The oldest citizen in Spain lives there. :)
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Speaking of Migjorn, I love the sound of it. /miˈdʒoɾn/ :)
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Eandil wrote:
Izambri wrote:Herberge, of course!!!

I know it reminded me of a close word, but I wasn't suspecting it was so close: Catalan alberg, which according to Alcover-Moll comes from Old High-German heriberga or Gothic *haribergo (REW 4045). In Commonitorium Palladii (10th century Italian document) appears the latinized form alipergum "camp" (Rom. Forsch., vi, 209).
That means also Spanish albergue is related :o
Not to mention French auberge, which is for my money the best sounding of the lot.

In dialectal Swedish, there is the variant härbre (the first r is silent) which refers to a shed which can also be used as a guest room.

In Icelandic, herbergi simply means "room".

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DONKEY

when said angrily with some sort of british accent where it sounds something like [dɔŋkəɪ]

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Been watching Gordon Ramsay, have you?

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Theta wrote:Been watching Gordon Ramsay, have you?
Among others.

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Bob Johnson wrote:DONKEY

when said angrily with some sort of british accent where it sounds something like [dɔŋkəɪ]
Something more like [ˈdɒŋkɪi], apparently.

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Serafín wrote:Something more like [ˈdɒŋkɪi], apparently.
Bob is closer with the first vowel, at least for me.

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Astraios wrote:
Serafín wrote:Something more like [ˈdɒŋkɪi], apparently.
Bob is closer with the first vowel, at least for me.
Oh darling, say ... donkey for me.

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A few Catalan ones:

atzucac [əd͡zu'kak]
atzar [ə'd͡za]
gatzoneta [gəd͡zu'nɛtə]
magatzem [məɣəd͡zɛm] and emmagatzemar [əm:əɣəd͡zə'ma]
reguitzell [rəɣi'd͡zeʎ]

formatge [fuɾ'mad͡ʒə]
enginyer [əɲd͡ʒi'ɲe] and enginyeria [əɲd͡ʒiɲə'ɾiə]
menjívol [məɲ'd͡ʒivuɫ] or [məɲ'd͡ʒiβuɫ]
matxucar [mət͡ʃu'ka]
enuig [ə'nut͡ʃ]

enganyifa [əŋgə'ɲifə]
lloctinent [ʎɔkti'nen]
maduixa [mə'ðuʃə]

espurna [əs'puɾnə]
espetegar [əspətə'ɣa]
rompre ['rompɾə]
entortolligar [əntuɾtuʎi'ɣa]
guspira [gus'piɾə]
marbre ['mabɾə]
estol [əs'tɔɫ]
abraonar [əbɾəu'na]

gamba ['gambə]
flama ['flamə]
pàmpol ['pampuɫ]
tanmateix [ˌtɐm:ə'teʃ]

erol [ə'ɾɔɫ]
núvol ['nuvuɫ] or ['nuβuɫ]

iridi [i'ɾiði]
acant [ə'kan]
aigua ['ajwˠə]
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Lots of words in -ard [ɑɻd] but this is probably just a passing fad

Also nibnard [nɪb.nɑɻd] which isn't a word but hey

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