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Faroese has ð > v in some environments as well, e.g. <maður> [ˈmɛavʊɹ]. Wikipedia has a somewhat misplaced section about the development of historical /ð/ at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_or ... _insertion.


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Mavea has linguolabials. Tangoa has voiced and voiceless linguolabials. Qaqet has a fricative inventory of /B s G/. Nek has a fricative inventory of /s z G/ and /G/ is written as y, a practice used by some conlangers. Rapoisi, Ditidaht, Lushootseed and Makah have no nasals. http://www-01.sil.org/pacific/png/pubs/ ... apoisi.pdf
Edit: Rapoisi has allophonic nasals, but no phonemic nasals.

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Klallam has no k but k and e but no o
N being phonemic in it is relatively minor

Navajo features a lot of consonants in coronal places of articulation and significantly less in other areas like other athabascan languages


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What about ? A three-way distinction between unaspirated, aspirated and ejective stops, a labaialisation contrast for velars and uvulars, an (almost) complete ejective fricative series (including a couple which as far as I know are not found anywhere else), five laterals but no bilabials or liquids! Even better, apparently n may have come from an earlier l, so the language may have previously had no nasals either! :mrgreen:

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I think some of those things may actually be pretty common in the area where Tlingit is spoken. There are definitely languages in the area other than (and unrelated to) Tlingit that don't have nasals.


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Admittedly, yes, but Tlingit is on the northern edge of the Northwest Coast sprachbund, and the ejective fricatives are definitely not seen anywhere else in the region. After all, it is a Na-Dené language, and their phonologies are pretty weird to begin with, but Tlingit seems to have just taken the Pacific Northwest as an excuse to go bonkers.

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I remember finding that a surprising number of European language varieties have retroflexes (well, OK, maybe it isn't actually that weird, but at least it was surprising to me at the time because I'd never heard of this before). For example, I can very clearly hear [ɭ] between /a/ and /t/ when Viennese people speak (Standard) German (OK, this one might be kind of weird because it only ever seems to be in that specific environment, although I guess that still isn't weird).


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If this has already been mentioned, it still deserves a re-visit: Liangshan Yi/Nuosu's syllabic consonants.

Wiki provides: "The syllabic consonants y(r) u(r) are essentially the usual Sinological vowels ɿ ʮ, so y can be identified with the vowel of the Mandarin 四 sì "four", but they have diverse realizations. Y(r) completely assimilates to a preceding coronal except in voice, e.g. /ɕz̩˨˩/ [ɕʑ̩˨˩] "to marry", and are [m͡l̩] after a labial nasal, e.g. /m̥z̩˧sz̩˧/ [m̥m͡l̩˧sz̩˧] "cloth". U(r) assimilates similarly after laterals, retaining its rounding, e.g. /l̥v̩ʷ˧/ [l̥l̩ʷ˧] "to stir-fry", and is [m̩ʷ] after a labial nasal, e.g. /m̥v̩ʷ˧/ [m̥m̩ʷ˧] "mushroom"; moreover it induces a labially trilled release of preceding labial or alveolar stops, e.g. /ⁿdv̩ʷ˨˩/ [ⁿdʙv̩ʷ˨˩] "to hit"."

A SIL source, for what it's worth, provides similar. https://arts-sciences.und.edu/summer-in ... atough.pdf

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