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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:00 pm 
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Fortis and lenis are generally phonological terms applied to a pair of sets of consonant whose articulation may differ in various ways falling under the heading of "strong articulation" versus "weak articulation", such as voicing, aspiration, length, and glottalization. In many of these the "fortis" articulation is observed to correlate with a greater accumulation of pressure in the mouth, especially before the release of a stop. What I'd like to know is this:

Are there any known languages in which the only difference between a pair of consonants is the amount of air pressure built up in their articulation, without any consistently observable difference in voice, aspiration, length, glottalization, or any of the other features commonly associated with a fortis-lenis contrast?

The closest thing I've ever heard of to this is Korean's "tense" consonants, which I've heard conflicting descriptions of that mainly agree on their having more forceful articulation than the "tenuis" (weakly aspirated word-initially and voiced word-internally) consonants. Some describe them as weakly glottalized, others as longer than the "tenuis" consonants (and never aspirated or allophonically voiced). I'm wondering if there's a better example, though.

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People have commented on how one can have strong and weak ejectives, but I, like they, have never heard of a language which actually contrasts them.

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