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Hmong
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:46 pm
by dhok
I've been trying to find a book on Hmong for some time now, and all I'm getting is the Hmong immigrant experience, which, while I'm sure it's fascinating, is not a grammar. Does anybody know where I might find one?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:58 pm
by Xephyr
Ah, I didn't know you were Canadian.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:45 pm
by Rodlox
Xephyr wrote:Ah, I didn't know you were Canadian.
?
I'm North Carolinian - I can't find Hmong language books either.
(and we're the - i think - 4th largest Hmong community in the US)
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:47 am
by Christopher Schröder
Rodlox wrote:I'm North Carolinian - I can't find Hmong language books either.
(and we're the - i think - 4th largest Hmong community in the US)
My entire university's library only turns up a phrasebook and a book that has something to do with their writing system, even though there is a rather sizeable number of Hmong here (including one of my best friends, ironically enough). I think that your search will be quite difficult, to say the least.
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:23 am
by gsandi
There seems to be only one author who has published grammars of the two main Hmong languages: Thomas Lyman. I have no way to know if they are any good, but both books are available in my favourite university library (UBC, Vancouver), according to its online catalogue:
Grammar of Mong Njua (Green Miao) : a descriptive linguistic study / by Thomas Amis Lyman. Lyman, Thomas Amis. 1979.
Dictionary of Mong Njua : a Miao (Meo) language of Southeast Asia / by Thomas Amis Lyman. Lyman, Thomas Amis. 1974.
There may well be copies in a library closer to you. You can also try interlibrary loan.
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:28 pm
by Cockroach
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:43 pm
by Serali
Christoph Schrader wrote:My entire university's library only turns up a phrasebook and a book that has something to do with their writing system, even though there is a rather sizeable number of Hmong here (including one of my best friends, ironically enough). I think that your search will be quite difficult, to say the least.
What's the name of the book on their writing system?
I wanna see if Amazon or something has it.
I love Hmong writing.

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:05 pm
by din
Hmoob!
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:13 pm
by Rodlox
Serali wrote:What's the name of the book on their writing system?
I wanna see if Amazon or something has it.
The World's Writing Systems by Bright and Daniels.
this is the only book I know that has Hmong writing in it, that isn't written in Hmong.
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:17 pm
by Serali
Thanks!

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:36 pm
by Rodlox
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:00 pm
by Serali
Ok....so?
I want it regardless. But I would want one written in Hmong ( the actual script not this shitty Latin crap they use ) even more.

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:31 am
by Christopher Schröder
Serali wrote:Ok....so?
I want it regardless. But I would want one written in Hmong ( the actual script not this shitty Latin crap they use ) even more.
I always do a double-take when my Hmong friend tries to teach me things and I ask how they are spelled (not to mention that I always end up saying the word for "wall" instead of her name because I cannot hear tones) — the Latin orthography is absolutely hideous.
As for the book — here is the library's record of it:
http://ilsweb.uncg.edu/web2/tramp2.exe/ ... ome&item=2
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:17 am
by Cockroach
Christoph Schrader wrote:I always do a double-take when my Hmong friend tries to teach me things and I ask how they are spelled (not to mention that I always end up saying the word for "wall" instead of her name because I cannot hear tones) — the Latin orthography is absolutely hideous.
100% agreed. Romanized Zhuang has the same problem too. Its a great and fascinating language, but the orthography makes it look like something a third grader has green aliens from the moon say in the comic book he made.
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:57 am
by Serali
Christoph Schrader wrote:I always do a double-take when my Hmong friend tries to teach me things and I ask how they are spelled (not to mention that I always end up saying the word for "wall" instead of her name because I cannot hear tones) — the Latin orthography is absolutely hideous.
As for the book — here is the library's record of it:
http://ilsweb.uncg.edu/web2/tramp2.exe/ ... ome&item=2
I heard a Hmong song once very pretty.
Also Brenda Song ( from Disney channel ) is Hmong. I had no clue I thought she was Filipino. XD Although I have never heard it spoken. I would like to though.
And the link is broken I think because when I click on it it's asking me to go to the "main screen" or I guess the homepage and that my session has expired.
Damn I really would've like to have seen it.

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:32 am
by Christopher Schröder
Serali wrote:Christoph Schrader wrote:I always do a double-take when my Hmong friend tries to teach me things and I ask how they are spelled (not to mention that I always end up saying the word for "wall" instead of her name because I cannot hear tones) — the Latin orthography is absolutely hideous.
As for the book — here is the library's record of it:
http://ilsweb.uncg.edu/web2/tramp2.exe/ ... ome&item=2
I heard a Hmong song once very pretty.
Also Brenda Song ( from Disney channel ) is Hmong. I had no clue I thought she was Filipino. XD Although I have never heard it spoken. I would like to though.
And the link is broken I think because when I click on it it's asking me to go to the "main screen" or I guess the homepage and that my session has expired.
Damn I really would've like to have seen it.

Oh, well — I looked the book itself up, and it appears to be something about anthropology. It seems to be this:
http://www.hmongabc.com/store/product.p ... ctid=16279
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:20 pm
by Serali
I wonder if it gives examples of the writing....?

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:42 pm
by Oric
[quote="Christoph Schrader"— the Latin orthography is absolutely hideous.[/quote]
If by "hideous", you mean "awesome", then yes, it is hideous.