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Imralu wrote:[[PRONPERS]2 UNGARN KÖNN WARUM]W
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Why do you know how to speak Hungarian?
Je suis un cours d'hongrois chaque lundi avec mon ami hongrois. C'est pas beaucoup et j'écris seulement ce que je sais écrire. Je sais pas beacoup mais ça arrive, peu à peu. L'hongrois m'intéresse, c'est tout, et peut-être j'y voyagerai cet été ou l'année prochaine. On sait pas, mais on va voir.

Je suis d'accord, Finlay, c'était vachement une question énervante, mais voilà, c'est pas grave.


I am taking a Hungarian class each Monday with my Hungarian friend. It's not a lot and I only write what I know how to write. I don't know a lot but it'll come, little by little. Hungarian interests me, that's all, and perhaps I will travel there this summer or next year. Who knows, but we'll see.

I agree, Finlay, it was quite an obnoxious question, but oh well, not a big deal.
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OK, I ended up getting the answer I wanted but apparently I caused offence along the way. I'm genuinely stumped about why you guys think that's an obnoxious question. I'm sorry it was taken that way and I can assure you it was not meant so, but please tell me - was it the content or the wording? I didn't put a lot of thought into the English wording - change my "why" to "how come" if you like.
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Imralu wrote:OK, I ended up getting the answer I wanted but apparently I caused offence along the way. I'm genuinely stumped about why you guys think that's an obnoxious question. I'm sorry it was taken that way and I can assure you it was not meant so, but please tell me - was it the content or the wording? I didn't put a lot of thought into the English wording - change my "why" to "how come" if you like.
No, it's just that many here write in numerous lesser-spoken languages so it came across as targeting, perhaps, is the best way I can describe how I interpreted it. But don't worry, I didn't take offense.
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Kareshi wa 30 ni naru kara, kaado wo tsukurou. Demo donna e wo tsukuru ka wakaranai. :/
My boyfriend is turning 30, so I'm gonna make him a card. But I don't know what motif to have on it. :/
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Viktor77 wrote:
Imralu wrote:OK, I ended up getting the answer I wanted but apparently I caused offence along the way. I'm genuinely stumped about why you guys think that's an obnoxious question. I'm sorry it was taken that way and I can assure you it was not meant so, but please tell me - was it the content or the wording? I didn't put a lot of thought into the English wording - change my "why" to "how come" if you like.
No, it's just that many here write in numerous lesser-spoken languages so it came across as targeting, perhaps, is the best way I can describe how I interpreted it. But don't worry, I didn't take offense.
[PRONPERS]1 NEUGIER, WAHR
[PRONPERS]1 CURIOSITY, TRUE
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[PRONPERS]1 DENK : UNGARN [DETART]3 SPRACH [INTERESS]ELATIV
[PRONPERS]1 THINK : HUNGARY [DETART]3 LANGUAGE [INTEREST]ELATIVE
I find Hungarian a really interesting language.

[[PRONPERS]1 [PRONPERS]3 ZUHÖR,]PROTASIS [[PRONPERS]3 GLEICH WISSENSCHAFT FIKTION.]APODOSIS
[[PRONPERS]1 [PRONPERS]3 LISTEN,]PROTASIS [[PRONPERS]3 SAME SCIENCE FICTION.]APODOSIS
It sounds like science fiction to me.

[PRONPERS]2 [PRONPERS]3 LERN : VERGANGENHEIT [PRONPERS]1 WISS-Neg
[PRONPERS]2 [PRONPERS]3 LEARN : PAST [PRONPERS]1 KNOW-Neg
I didn't know you were learning it.
Qwynegold wrote:Kareshi wa 30 ni naru kara, kaado wo tsukurou. Demo donna e wo tsukuru ka wakaranai. :/
My boyfriend is turning 30, so I'm gonna make him a card. But I don't know what motif to have on it. :/
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MAYBE THIRTY Classifier:LARGE-2D
Maybe a big '30'?

8)

ABER ERNST [PASS4 PAM4 WAS?]W
BUT SERIOUS [SUIT/MATCH4 personal.agreement.marker4 WHAT?]W
But seriously, what's something that would personally suit him?
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Qwynegold wrote:Kareshi wa 30 ni naru kara, kaado wo tsukurou. Demo donna e wo tsukuru ka wakaranai. :/
My boyfriend is turning 30, so I'm gonna make him a card. But I don't know what motif to have on it. :/
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Imralu wrote:OK, I ended up getting the answer I wanted but apparently I caused offence along the way. I'm genuinely stumped about why you guys think that's an obnoxious question. I'm sorry it was taken that way and I can assure you it was not meant so, but please tell me - was it the content or the wording? I didn't put a lot of thought into the English wording - change my "why" to "how come" if you like.
不愉快っていうかな。ちょっと強い感じだけど。たぶんもっといい言葉あるかな。
Maybe obnoxious isn't the right word - it's a bit strong. Maybe there's a better word.

"How come" would probably sound less like you're challenging victor's sanity. :p

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ちなみにね、前に言った皮肉の言葉はごめんね。返事は本当に面白かったよ。
chinami ni ne, mae ni yutta hiniku no kotoba wa gomen ne. Henji wa hontou ni omosirokatta yo
Btw, sorry about the sarcasm. Your reply was actually interesting.

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Imralu wrote:OK, I ended up getting the answer I wanted but apparently I caused offence along the way. I'm genuinely stumped about why you guys think that's an obnoxious question. I'm sorry it was taken that way and I can assure you it was not meant so, but please tell me - was it the content or the wording? I didn't put a lot of thought into the English wording - change my "why" to "how come" if you like.
「why」というと「どんな事情」よりも「どの理由」という意味が強いので、少し対立的な表現だ。「Why」よりも「how」の方はいいニュアンスがある。「Know」も「learn」に言い換えると印象がいい。「Why do you know Hungarian?」は「知っているはずがないから知っている理由を教えて」という感じで、「How did you learn Hungarian?」は「どんな機会・事情・方法などで習ったか教えて」という感じだ。
Using "why" focuses more on the reason you know it than the circumstances that allowed you to learn it, so it is a little more confrontational. "How" has a better feeling than "why". Changing "know" to "learn" also has a better impression. "Why do you know Hungarian?" feels like you're saying "Tell me the reason you know Hungarian, because I don't think you have any reason to know it" while "How did you learn Hungarian?" sounds like "Tell me the opportunity/circumstances/methods that led you to learn Hungarian."

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confrontational is a better word, yes

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clawgrip wrote:Using "why" focuses more on the reason you know it than the circumstances that allowed you to learn it, so it is a little more confrontational. "How" has a better feeling than "why". Changing "know" to "learn" also has a better impression. "Why do you know Hungarian?" feels like you're saying "Tell me the reason you know Hungarian, because I don't think you have any reason to know it" while "How did you learn Hungarian?" sounds like "Tell me the opportunity/circumstances/methods that led you to learn Hungarian."
Yeah, this is true; "why" seems more like you're interrogating them.

Another more informal way to soften "why" is to replace it with "what... for". "What do you know Hungarian for?"

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That sounds worse.

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Viktor77 wrote:
Imralu wrote:[[PRONPERS]2 UNGARN KÖNN WARUM]W
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Why do you know how to speak Hungarian?
Je suis un cours d'hongrois chaque lundi avec mon ami hongrois. C'est pas beaucoup et j'écris seulement ce que je sais écrire. Je sais pas beacoup mais ça arrive, peu à peu. L'hongrois m'intéresse, c'est tout, et peut-être j'y voyagerai cet été ou l'année prochaine. On sait pas, mais on va voir.

Je suis d'accord, Finlay, c'était vachement une question énervante, mais voilà, c'est pas grave.


I am taking a Hungarian class each Monday with my Hungarian friend. It's not a lot and I only write what I know how to write. I don't know a lot but it'll come, little by little. Hungarian interests me, that's all, and perhaps I will travel there this summer or next year. Who knows, but we'll see.

I agree, Finlay, it was quite an obnoxious question, but oh well, not a big deal.
Por que isso é uma pergunta chata?! Só esta perguntando por que você fala ungariana. Meu Deus do ceu, chega de gritar gente, euhein ! (pt-br)
How on earth is that an obnoxious question? He is just asking why you speak Hungarian. Good lord stop being so whiney and sensitive people. Boo-f*in-hoo.

(by the way this portuguese is very colloquial, as I only know the colloquial varieties and just *attempt* to write them down. but it seems fitting for this context ;) )

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finlay wrote:That sounds worse.
I agree. It has the opposite effect for me.

But let's just boil this all done to sociolinguistics and call it a day.
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Voinko liittyä mukaan? Haluan oppia puhumaan paremmin suomea, ja tämä näytää tavalta, joka voin huomata, mitä en vielä tiedä.
Can I join in? I want to learn to speak better Finnish, and this looks like a way I can figure out what I still don't know.

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Ek is getatoeëer volgende week, weer. Begin my arm moue hierdie tyd. Sal plaas foto wanneer dit gedoen is.
I'm getting tattooed next week, again. Beginning my arm sleeves this time. Will post a photo when it's done.

(If it even happens that is... I'm so disorganised.)
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イーメールに早く答えない人を嫌がる。:|
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TheCommissar wrote:Voinko liittyä mukaan? Haluan oppia puhumaan paremmin suomea, ja tämä näytää tavalta, joka voin huomata, mitä en vielä tiedä.
Can I join in? I want to learn to speak better Finnish, and this looks like a way I can figure out what I still don't know.
NATÜRLICH [PRONPERS]2 EINTRET DÜRF
NATURAL [PRONPERS]2 JOIN-IN BE-ALLOWED
Of course you can join in.

VIELLEICHT HIER MENSCH3 [DETPOSS]2 FINNLAND PRÜF, BERICHTIG KÖNN, 3HELF2
MAYBE HERE PERSON3 [DETPOSS]2 FINLAND CHECK, CORRECT CAN, 3HELP2
Maybe someone here can check your Finnish for you and help you out with it.

HIER FINNLAND MENSCH EINIGE [DETEXIST]HIER
HERE FINLAND PERSON SOME [DETEXIST]HERE
There are some Finnish people here.

[PRONPERS]1 BISSCHEN FINNLAND KÖNN, ABER [DETPOSS]2 FINNLAND BESSER
[PRONPERS]1 A-LITTLE FINLAND CAN, BUT [DETPOSS]2 FINLAND BESSER
I can speak a bit of Finnish but your Finnish is better.
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Imralu wrote:
Nannalu wrote:getatoeëer
http://media.spreadthesign.com/video/mp4/6/14614.mp4
Blame the Dutch.
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Que foi? Esse palavra é completamente normal.
What's wrong with that word? That word is perfectly normal.

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Imralu wrote:
Qwynegold wrote:Kareshi wa 30 ni naru kara, kaado wo tsukurou. Demo donna e wo tsukuru ka wakaranai. :/
My boyfriend is turning 30, so I'm gonna make him a card. But I don't know what motif to have on it. :/
VIELLEICHT DREISSIG Klassifikator:GROSS-2D
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Maybe a big '30'?

8)

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But seriously, what's something that would personally suit him?
Hai, ookii 30-ban wo tsukurou. Wakaranai riyuu de anooo... fesanto mo tsukuru to kimeta.
Yeah, I'm gonna make a big 30. And for some reason I decided to also make a pheasant.
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Qwynegold wrote:Kareshi wa 30 ni naru kara, kaado wo tsukurou. Demo donna e wo tsukuru ka wakaranai. :/
My boyfriend is turning 30, so I'm gonna make him a card. But I don't know what motif to have on it. :/
30 (30-sai)
Ara, arabikku suuji wo tsukau noni, chanto "sai"tte wo kakanakucha ikenai?
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Bikutaa-san, motto osoku Hangarii-go wo manandara ii. :( Isshoni tsukau kanosei ga attara.* Watashi wa Hangarii-go no kyoukasho ga atte, itsuka chotto naraitai ga, ima wa muri. :(
Viktor, you should have studied Hungarian later. :( We could've used it together. I have a Hungarian textbook, and want to learn a little, but right now it's impossible. :(

*I have no idea how to construct this sentence.
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TheCommissar wrote:Voinko liittyä mukaan? Haluan oppia puhumaan paremmin suomea, ja tämä näytää tavalta, jokanka avulla voin huomata, mitä en vielä tiedä osaa.
Can I join in? I want to learn to speak better Finnish, and this looks like a way I can figure out what I still don't know.
Joka is nominative, so you can't use when it's you and not the way that is the subject. Osata suits better than tietää when talking about a language. I would also swap places with paremmin and suomea, it feels more natural that way. On the whole, you seem to be doing pretty well. :)
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Qwynegold wrote:Bikutaa-san, motto osoku Hangarii-go wo manandara ii. :( Isshoni tsukau kanosei ga attara.* Watashi wa Hangarii-go no kyoukasho ga atte, itsuka chotto naraitai ga, ima wa muri. :(
Viktor, you should have studied Hungarian later. :( We could've used it together. I have a Hungarian textbook, and want to learn a little, but right now it's impossible. :(

*I have no idea how to construct this sentence.
[PRONPERS]3 WART MUSS-Neg
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Qwynegold wrote:Bikutaa-san, motto osoku Hangarii-go wo manandara ii. :( Isshoni tsukau kanosei ga attara.* Watashi wa Hangarii-go no kyoukasho ga atte, itsuka chotto naraitai ga, ima wa muri. :(
Viktor, you should have studied Hungarian later. :( We could've used it together. I have a Hungarian textbook, and want to learn a little, but right now it's impossible. :(

*I have no idea how to construct this sentence.
Like:
ハンガリー語はもっと遅く勉強したらよかったよ。そうながら、一緒に使える/話せる。
Hangari-go wa motto osoku benkyou shitara yokatta yo. Sou nagara, issho ni tsukaeru/hanaseru.
(i think)

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