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Np! :)

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jal wrote:Als ich auf Urlaub in Frankreich war, habe ich endlich eine französische Version von "Der Hobbit" gekauft. Ich habe jetzt eine spanische, italienische, französische, dänische, englische und niederländische Version. Aber noch immer keine deutsche :(.
When I was in France on holiday, I finally bought a French version of "The Hobbit". I currently have a Spanish, French, Danish, English and Dutch version. But still no German one :(.
Ja mam tylko niemiecką wersję.
Moi, j'ai seulement une version Allemande.
Ik heb slechts en Duitse versie.
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I only have a German version.

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Jeg har bare en engelsk versjon. :o
Ki mandi nur yek angitrakero version.
मेरा पास सिर्फ़ एक अंग्रेज़ी अनूदित पुस्तक है.
merā pās sirf ek aṅgrezī anūdit pustak hai
I only have an English version.
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Znex wrote:Ki mandi nur yek angitrakero version.
Czy to jest język pomocniczy?
Est-ce que c'est une langue auxiliaire?
Is dat een hulptaal?

Is that an auxlang?

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hwhatting wrote:Is that an auxlang?
Ja sozusagen.
In a manner of speaking...

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Sina vitabu vyovyote vya Harry Potter. Ninapenda kwamba anaitwa Garry Potter kwa Kirusi.
I don't have any Harry Potter books. I love the fact that he's called Garry Potter in Russian.
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hwhatting wrote:
Znex wrote:Ki mandi nur yek angitrakero version.
Czy to jest język pomocniczy?
Est-ce que c'est une langue auxiliaire?
Is dat een hulptaal?

Is that an auxlang?
Kek, duvva Rummaness, avva mandi jinnav soski tutti pukker adjaw.
No, this is Angloromani, but I understand why you might think so.
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Znex wrote:
hwhatting wrote:
Znex wrote:Ki mandi nur yek angitrakero version.
Czy to jest język pomocniczy?
Est-ce que c'est une langue auxiliaire?
Is dat een hulptaal?

Is that an auxlang?
Kek, duvva Rummaness, avva mandi jinnav soski tutti pukker adjaw.
No, this is Angloromani, but I understand why you might think so.
Lol

Nur is kek a lav in Rumnis, pal. :?
Nur isn't a word in Angloromani, man. :?

Also:

मेरे पास
mere pās
'with me'

Also I doubt anyone says अंग्रेज़ी अनूदित पुस्तक apart from maybe some very snobbish Brahmins, the kind who get super-upset about casteism being challenged. Most people would probably just say अंग्रेज़ी version or अंग्रेजी वर्जन aṅgrejī varjan or even just "English version." :P

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Vijay wrote:Nur is kek a lav in Rumnis, pal. :?
Nur isn't a word in Angloromani, man. :?
Mandi jinnav, avva mandi nistis kek latch the lav te "only" in Rumnis, adjaw mandi lel'd a lav avrey Sinte Rumnis.
I know, but I couldn't find the word for "only" in Angloromani, so I took a word from Sinte Romani.

Mandi kellipen'd the same shom lavs avrey Lavveen Rumnis.
I did the same with words from Welsh Romani.
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hwhatting wrote:Ik heb slechts* een Duitse versie.
*More idiomatic/colloquial: "alleen" (or "alleen maar").

Verdammt, seit gestern erhalte ich keine Fortschreibungen mehr von der ZBB...
Damn, since yesterday I don't receive updates anymore from the ZBB...

EDIT: It seems for some reason they ended up in the spam folder. Thanks for nothing gmail...


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Znex wrote:I know, but I couldn't find the word for "only" in Angloromani, so I took a word from Sinte Romani.
Wiesz, to było dokładnie "nur" co skłoniło mnie do myśli, żeby to było językiem pomocniczym, ze słowami wziętymi przypadkowo z języków naturalnych.
Tu sais, c'était le "nur" exactement qui m'a fait penser que ce serait une langue auxiliaire, avec des mots pris au hasard des langues naturelles.
Weet je, het was precies het "nur" dat me heeft gelaten denken dat dit een hulptaal was, met toevallig uit natuurlijken talen genomen woorden.

You know, it was exactly the "nur" that made me think this was an auxlang, with words randomly taken from natlangs.
jal wrote:Verdammt, seit gestern erhalte ich keine Updates*1) mehr vom ZBB...
Damn, since yesterday I don't receive updates anymore from the ZBB...
*1) If you don't want to use the English words, I'd use Nachrichten or Benachrichtigungen, as you're not talking about software updates, but news updates / messages about new posts etc.

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Danke für die Korrigierungen!
Thanks for the corrections!
hwhatting wrote:Weet je, het was precies het "nur" dat me heeft gelaten denken dat dit een hulptaal was, met toevallig uit natuurlijken talen genomen woorden.
The above fixes the actual grammar errors, but still sounds a bit off. I would say something like "Weet je*, het was precies het "nur" dat me deed vermoeden [or "waarom ik vermoedde"] dat dit een auxlang** was, met willekeurig uit natuurlijk talen gekozen woorden."
*I'm not sure this entirely covers the "you know" in this case, but it'll have to do.
**"hulptaal" sounds like it's a language that's used for aiding something. "Hulp-" can mean "auxilliary", "additional" and "aiding", but the latter is more prevalent, like in "hulphond" or "hulpmotor" (the latter being understood as the only engine, that's helping someone e.g. on a bike, rather than the auxiliary engine next to the primary one, which could also be the meaning).


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jal wrote:Danke für die Korrekturen!*1)
Thanks for the corrections!
*1) Or: Berichtigungen
dat me heeft gelaten denken
Natuurlijk moet het Nederlands hier net als het Duits zijn....
Of course, Dutch must be exactly the same as German here... :oops:
jal wrote:The above fixes the actual grammar errors, but still sounds a bit off. I would say something like "Weet je*, het was precies het "nur" dat me deed vermoeden [or "waarom ik vermoedde"] dat dit een auxlang** was, met willekeurig uit natuurlijk talen gekozen woorden."
Thanks for that!
jal wrote:**"hulptaal" sounds like it's a language that's used for aiding something. "Hulp-" can mean "auxilliary", "additional" and "aiding", but the latter is more prevalent, like in "hulphond" or "hulpmotor" (the latter being understood as the only engine, that's helping someone e.g. on a bike, rather than the auxiliary engine next to the primary one, which could also be the meaning).
I took hulptaal from the Dutch wikipedia article on conlangs, so it seems to be an established term?

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hwhatting wrote:I took hulptaal from the Dutch wikipedia article on conlangs, so it seems to be an established term?
Regel 1: Vertraue niemals auf Wikipedia.
Regel 2: Siehe Regel 1

Rule 1: Never trust Wikipedia.
Rule 2: See Rule 1.

Of course, when talking about such obscure things like auxlangs, is there an "established term" at all in a language? Who decides?

EDIT: And of course "kunsttaal" itself is problematic, as it can also be read as "artlang".


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Znex wrote:I know, but I couldn't find the word for "only" in Angloromani, so I took a word from Sinte Romani.
Wäre es nicht sinnvoller, ein Wort dafür aus dem Englischen zu entlehnen?
Wouldn't it make more sense to borrow a word for this from English?

Die Sprache heiss doch "Angloromani", oder?
After all, the language is called "Angloromani", innit?

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Genau, Angloromani funktioniert nicht wirklich, wie Znex und ich es hier reden. Es ist eigentlich nur Englisch mit ein paar Wörtern auf Romani.
Exactly, Angloromani doesn't really work the way Znex and I are speaking it here. It's actually just English with a few words in Romani.

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linguoboy wrote:Die Sprache heißt doch "Angloromani", oder?
After all, the language is called "Angloromani", innit?
T-tijd.
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Vijay wrote:Genau, Angloromani funktioniert nicht wirklich, wie Znex und ich es hier reden. Es ist eigentlich nur Englisch mit ein paar Wörtern auf Romani.
Exactly, Angloromani doesn't really work the way Znex and I are speaking it here. It's actually just English with a few words in Romani.
Faen, egentlig? Det er skuffende. :oops:
अरे नहीं, वास्तव में? यह निराशाजनक है.
are nahin vāstav meṃ | yah nirāśājnak hai
Damn, really? That's disappointing.

Me provirav un sikav taj Romanes dala.
I'll try and learn some Sinte Romani then.
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.עברתי לארצות הברית כדי לעשות קורס בפיתוח תוכנה. יכול להיות שאשאר בדרום וויסקונסין, אבל יש גם מצב שאעבור לסיאטל, כי אני מעדיף לעבוד שם מאשר בשיקגו
‘Avarti le-Artsot ha-Brit kdey la‘asot ḳurs be-p̄ituaḥ tokhnä. Yakhol lihyot she-esha’er bi-drom Ṿisḳonsin, aval yesh gam matsav she-e‘evor le-Si’aṭel, ki ani ma‘adif la‘avod sham me’asher be-Shiḳago.
I moved to America to do a software development course. Maybe I'll stay in southern Wisconsin, but there's a chance I'll move to Seattle, because I prefer to work there rather than Chicago.

?המזג-אוויר פה מעפן. אני לא אוהב גשם מטפטף. כנראה שזה כל מה שיש בסיאטל. זאת סיבה מספיק טובה כדי לא לגור במקום
Ha-mezeg-aṿir po ma‘afan. Ani lō ohev geshem meṭafṭef. Ka-nir’ë she-zë kol mä she-yesh be-Si’aṭel. Zot sibä maspiḳ ṭovä kdey lō lagur be-maḳom?
The weather here sux. I don't like drippy rain. That's probably all there is in Seattle. Is that a good enough reason not to live in a place?

.התאמצתי כל כך הרבה כשהייתי בארץ כדי להגיע לרמה הזאת בעברית. איזה באסה שאשכח אותה בסוף
Hit’amatsti kol kakh harbë kshe-hayiti ba-Arets kdey lehagia‘ la-ramä ha-zot be-‘ivrit. Eyzë bāsä she-eshkaḥ otä ba-sof.
I made such a big effort to get to this level of Hebrew when I was in Israel. What a shame that I'll forget it all in the end.

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Ziz wrote:.התאמצתי כל כך הרבה כשהייתי בארץ כדי להגיע לרמה הזאת בעברית. איזה באסה שאשכח אותה בסוף
Hit’amatsti kol kakh harbë kshe-hayiti ba-Arets kdey lehagia‘ la-ramä ha-zot be-‘ivrit. Eyzë bāsä she-eshkaḥ otä ba-sof.
I made such a big effort to get to this level of Hebrew when I was in Israel. What a shame that I'll forget it all in the end.
Omnes omnium rerum obliviscimur ad finem.
We all forget it all in the end.

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Ziz, du weisst, dass Chicago jetzt in Frage kommt als "zweiter Sitz" von Amazon, gäll?
Ziz, you know that Chicago is under consideration for Amazon's "second headquarters", right?

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Aisee, Ziz, nilidhani kwamba ungaliko Israeli. Utarudi?
Oh, Ziz, I thought you were still in Israel. Are you going to go back?



Nilikuwa muziki unaoitwa Popobawa. Uusikilize kaucheze!
I made a piece of music called Popobawa. Please listen to it and dance to it.

Usipofanya, Popobawa atakupata!
If you don't, Popobawa will get you.
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I ha mi just verkäldet und hitt muesch i bis 20 Uhr oda noh spööda schaffe.
Tá slaghdán tagtha orm agus tá orm a bheith ag obair go dtí a hocht aniubh.
I just caught a cold and today I have to be at work until 8 or later.

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Imralu wrote:I made a piece of music called Popobawa. Please listen to it and dance to it.
Gerne! Aber jetzt ist es leider nicht möklich. Ich kann auch nicht versprechen, dass ich tanzen werde. Ich bin nicht so ein guter Tanzer.
I'd love to! But right now it's unfortunately not possible. I can't promiss either that I'm going to dance. I'm not a very good dancer.


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jal wrote:
Imralu wrote:I made a piece of music called Popobawa. Please listen to it and dance to it.
Gerne! Aber jetzt ist es leider nicht möglich. Ich kann auch nicht versprechen, dass ich tanzen werde. Ich bin nicht so ein guter Tänzer.
I'd love to! But right now it's unfortunately not possible. I can't promiss either that I'm going to dance. I'm not a very good dancer.
Asante! Hakuna matata! Angalau unaweza kuchezesha mguu.
Thanks! No problem! You can at least tap your foot.
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