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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:30 am 
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Edit: oops I was inb4d. Nvm though.

Finlay 2 things:
laborabam again? It's a simple past! laboravi!
You cannot use -que like that. "X and Y" is X Yque [not Xque Y]; and then again you usually only use that for pairs of words, usually short, and of equal syntactical roles, i.e. Sol lunaque fulgent. Use et, ac, acque, ...

Quid est て? Particula copulativa to? Hos symbolos non lego.
What is て? The copulative conjunction to? I can't read those symbols.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:40 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:42 pm 
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No, aquest matí no treballava does [when the meaning is, "esta mañana no he trabajado"]. Would you render "Today, I didn't work, and it's my first Sunday holiday in 2 years." with an imperfect in any romance language?

PS: yea I missed the negation in the example sry

[Perchè mi tratti di ci?
why do you address me with ci?]


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:51 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:59 pm 
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What is the nuance? I just mind that it fits the context:
Aquest matí no he treballat ~ Esta mañana no he trabajado. [uttered at lunch time]
Aquest matí no vaig treballar ~ Esta mañana no trabajé. [uttered at 9 o'clock in the evening]

Esta mañana no trabajaba is weird to me because something that didn't happen actively cannot have a continuity; *in this context* [he means he didn't go to work]. OTOH, if you're a teacher and you're having lunch with your student, you surely could utter "esta mañana no trabajabas, eh? / aquest matí no treballaves, eh?" [you weren't working this morning, were you?] but that's simply not the case here.

Would you, in his context, say, "Avui no treballava; és el meu primer diumenge lliure en dos anys."?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:11 pm 
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Concordo com a coisa do presente, isso é o que eu diria.
I agree about the present thing, that's what I'd say.

A oração relevante está na minha própria ultima mensagem. Acho que nesse contexto é esquisito o imperfeito.
The relevant sentence is in my very last post: ["Avui no treballava; és el meu primer diumenge lliure en dos anys."] I think in that context the imperfect is weird.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:19 pm 
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Mm, it's definitely perfect there. I'd go with je n'ai pas travaillé there too and not je travaillais. Imperfect is for a different context.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:54 pm 
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Emruz ke beketâbxâne raftam yek ketâb-e cistânhâ-ye bezabân-e fârsi yâftam-o cand az ânhâ dar daftar-e xod neveštam. Âyâ injâ kas-i st ke mi-tavânad bedin cistân-e avval javâb bedehad: Ân ci st ke harce mikešand kucaktar mišavad?
Today when I went to the library I found a book of riddles in Persian and I wrote some of them in my notebook. Is there anyone here who can answer this first riddle: What gets smaller the more you draw it?

!אסור לגגל את התשובה
Asur legagel et hatšuva!
No Googling the answer!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:29 am 
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El llapis? El blanc del paper?
The pencil? The white space in the paper?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:34 am 
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!سیگار چون [داد] اون کشید میشه. حالا تو برام یکی بده
Sigâr cun [dud-e] un kešid miše. Hâlâ to barâm yek-i bede!
A cigarette because it[s smoke] is drawn. Now you give me one!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:39 am 
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Pffff ça n'est pas juste! L'anglais n'est pas ma langue maternelle.
PFFF no fair! English is not my mother tongue.

Je ne peux pas te payer en cigarretes, mais il y aura bien sûr une autre manière.
I can't pay you in cigarrettes, but surely there are other ways.

Avec des chèvres?
In goats?


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Was ist kürzer, je länger es wird?
What gets shorter the longer it gets?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:41 am 
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El nombre d'intents de suïcidi?
The number of suicide attempts?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:53 am 
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¿Qué animal tiene cuatro patas al amanecer, dos al mediodía y tres al anochecer?
What animal has four legs at dawn, two at noon and three at dusk?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:08 am 
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.נוווו
Nuuuu.
Oh come on, a better one. :p

!ותענה על שלי
Vetaané al šelí!
And answer mine!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:47 am 
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Però si ja m'has dit la solució!
But you told the answer already!

Oro parece
Plata no es
¿Qué es amarillo,
y blanco del revés?
It seems gold,
It's not silver
What is yellow
And white inside-out?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:04 am 
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!تخم مرغ
Toxm-e morq!
An egg!


.یکی دیگه نوشتم: عجایب خلقتی دیدم درین دشت، سرشرا میبریدند زنده میگشت
Yek-i dige neveštam: ajâyeb xelqat-i didam dar-in dašt, sareš-râ miboridand zende migašt.
I wrote another one: what comes back to life when you cut off its head?


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