Russian stress diachronically

[Niedokonany]

Where can I find any info on how this mess is supposed to have arisen from the reconstructed Common Slavic paradigms a, b & c? E.g. my Russian pocket dictionary mentions like 9 different paradigms for nouns (this site lists 9, but they can't count and say there are 10 or I don't get something), which is an a little larger number... E.g. the paradigm of нога looks pretty much just like the PSl. paradigm c but others don't seem to fit any. Is it a result of different analogical levellings with some splits? Maybe someone knowledgeable is willing to describe a bit of it? Thanks :P

[Niedokonany]

Ладно, я уже нашёл и скачал эту книгу, надеюсь, что мне удасться ею прочитать до коньца будущего года.

[Mecislau]

Ладно, я уже нашёл и скачал эту книгу, надеюсь, что мне удастся ее прочитать к концу следующего года.

(If you don't mind my corrections)



(Also, by the end of next year? Man, you sure schedule reading a long ways out...)

[EDIT: Well, on second thought, using "будущий" isn't wrong, though "следующий" is far more common]

[Niedokonany]

(If you don't mind my corrections)

Yeah, that was so на погибель російській of me!

(Also, by the end of next year? Man, you sure schedule reading a long ways out...)

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[Io]

What's wrong with "до коньца"?

[Silk]

What's wrong with "до коньца"?

It would actually be до конца. But in Russian, when you want to express the need to do something by a certain time (like a due date), you use к rather than до.

Examples:
Мне надо к четвергу написать статью.
I have to write an article by Thursday.

Дым останется в Москве до четверга.
The smoke will remain in Moscow until Thursday.

[Niedokonany]

I've looked up the rules of preservation of palatalization after a lost mobile vowel (е/ё) and they're a bit twisted: ь after н, л, р before к and only after л before ц.

[Silk]

I've looked up the rules of preservation of palatalization after a lost mobile vowel (е/ё) and they're a bit twisted: ь after н, л, р before к and only after л before ц.

I just did some comparison of genitive plural forms of nouns ending in -ня:
спальня - спален
башня - башен
басня - басен
песня - песен

But then there's
кухня - кухонь

I wonder if there's a rule for this, or if кухня is just irregular. Off of the top of my head I can't think of other words ending in -хня.

[Mecislau]

I just did some comparison of genitive plural forms of nouns ending in -ня:
спальня - спален
башня - башен
басня - басен
песня - песен

But then there's
кухня - кухонь

I wonder if there's a rule for this, or if кухня is just irregular. Off of the top of my head I can't think of other words ending in -хня.

No, that's to be expected. Until fairly recently in Russian, if you had a choice between a back vowel and a front vowel after a velar, you always choose the back vowel, since historically velar + front vowel always resulted in palatalization of the velar.


If it's the soft sign you're referring to, it's probably just a combination of the recency of the word (Vasmer dates it to 1717) and the fact that due to the /o/, the palatalization of those final two consonants in all other forms has to marked somehow.

[Silk]

I just did some comparison of genitive plural forms of nouns ending in -ня:
спальня - спален
башня - башен
басня - басен
песня - песен

But then there's
кухня - кухонь

I wonder if there's a rule for this, or if кухня is just irregular. Off of the top of my head I can't think of other words ending in -хня.

No, that's to be expected. Until fairly recently in Russian, if you had a choice between a back vowel and a front vowel after a velar, you always choose the back vowel, since historically velar + front vowel always resulted in palatalization of the velar.


If it's the soft sign you're referring to, it's probably just a combination of the recency of the word (Vasmer dates it to 1717) and the fact that due to the /o/, the palatalization of those final two consonants in all other forms has to marked somehow.

Yeah, it was the soft sign I was referring to. Do you know if there are other words that have this soft sign at the end because of the reason you mentioned?

[Niedokonany]

Polish has that loss of (historical) palatalization in the genitive plural, too, in a few words, though often only optionally: stajnia > stajen or stajni, suknia > sukien or sukni, studnia > studzien or studni, przyjaciel > przyjaciół; przyjacielów is fairly strongly substandard. Personally, I would rather use the more regular palatalized forms except for przyjaciel. I've been always wondering how old this is, could those words possibly constitute some separate subdeclensions of jo-stems and ja-stems in Common Slavic?