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This is a quick one - a lepidopterist is someone who studies butterflies, or lepidoptera. I know ptera is the root meaning wing, but the OED is really unhelpful with the root lepido-. Anyone?
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Ulrike Meinhof wrote:The merger is between /8/ and /9/, merging into /8/. Seeing as they're just one number apart, that's not too strange.

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Kai_DaiGoji wrote:This is a quick one - a lepidopterist is someone who studies butterflies, or lepidoptera. I know ptera is the root meaning wing, but the OED is really unhelpful with the root lepido-. Anyone?
Greek λεπις, λεπιδ- meaning "scale".
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Your question has already been answered, but if you ever need to look up any Greek word, try this:

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/efts/PERSEU ... e/lsj.html

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Beautiful, thank you all.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi#North_wind_.28Boreas.29

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I have a question about the name Boreas, specifically the PIE root. I'm contemplating that I might derive a few words for a conlang from there.
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Curan Roshac wrote:I have a question about the name Boreas, specifically the PIE root.
It's unclear: we aren't even sure if it is definitely IE in origin. Some have suggested *gʷorH- "mountain", which isn't horribly implausible. It remains uncertain, however.

EDIT: FWIW, however, there is actually a PIE root meaning "north wind": *(s)k'eh1w(e)r-. It gives English "shower", apparently. The OED seems to disagree, however.
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Dewrad wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:I have a question about the name Boreas, specifically the PIE root.
It's unclear: we aren't even sure if it is definitely IE in origin. Some have suggested *gʷorH- "mountain", which isn't horribly implausible. It remains uncertain, however.

EDIT: FWIW, however, there is actually a PIE root meaning "north wind": *(s)k'eh1w(e)r-. It gives English "shower", apparently. The OED seems to disagree, however.
I was afraid it might not be IE. Thank you for your time.
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Curan Roshac wrote:
Dewrad wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:I have a question about the name Boreas, specifically the PIE root.
It's unclear: we aren't even sure if it is definitely IE in origin. Some have suggested *gʷorH- "mountain", which isn't horribly implausible. It remains uncertain, however.

EDIT: FWIW, however, there is actually a PIE root meaning "north wind": *(s)k'eh1w(e)r-. It gives English "shower", apparently. The OED seems to disagree, however.
I was afraid it might not be IE. Thank you for your time.
Another Greek question; the etymology of Diadema and how the PIE root might come to develop less for the item a ruler wears on their head or any act of ruling but as the title of ruler itself.
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Curan Roshac wrote:Another Greek question; the etymology of Diadema and how the PIE root might come to develop less for the item a ruler wears on their head or any act of ruling but as the title of ruler itself.
I am unable to parse anything beyond "and" in any sensible way. Rather than asking you to rephrase your post in a manner which is comprehensible to other speakers of English (which is demeaning), I shall simply assume that you're asking for the PIE etymon of "diadem". Ultimately, it's from PIE **déh1mṇ "band, something wrapped around." The διά- bit has a PIE etymon as well in *dis- "apart", but it's unlikely that **dis-déh1mṇ is a PIE formation.
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Dewrad wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:Another Greek question; the etymology of Diadema and how the PIE root might come to develop less for the item a ruler wears on their head or any act of ruling but as the title of ruler itself.
I am unable to parse anything beyond "and" in any sensible way. Rather than asking you to rephrase your post in a manner which is comprehensible to other speakers of English (which is demeaning), I shall simply assume that you're asking for the PIE etymon of "diadem". Ultimately, it's from PIE **déh1mṇ "band, something wrapped around." The διά- bit has a PIE etymon as well in *dis- "apart", but it's unlikely that **dis-déh1mṇ is a PIE formation.

Thank you.

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Curan Roshac wrote:
Dewrad wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:Another Greek question; the etymology of Diadema and how the PIE root might come to develop less for the item a ruler wears on their head or any act of ruling but as the title of ruler itself.
I am unable to parse anything beyond "and" in any sensible way. Rather than asking you to rephrase your post in a manner which is comprehensible to other speakers of English (which is demeaning), I shall simply assume that you're asking for the PIE etymon of "diadem". Ultimately, it's from PIE **déh1mṇ "band, something wrapped around." The διά- bit has a PIE etymon as well in *dis- "apart", but it's unlikely that **dis-déh1mṇ is a PIE formation.
Thank you.

And I am a native speaker of English. Whatever difficulty you are having is not at all my fault.
Yes it is. I think you meant the following, but I'm not sure:

"Another Greek question: the etymology of diadema. Also, I'm wondering how the PIE root might (hypothetically) come to develop into a term for the title of a ruler rather than for the item a ruler wears on their head or for the act of ruling."
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Curan Roshac wrote:
Dewrad wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:Another Greek question; the etymology of Diadema and how the PIE root might come to develop less for the item a ruler wears on their head or any act of ruling but as the title of ruler itself.
I am unable to parse anything beyond "and" in any sensible way. Rather than asking you to rephrase your post in a manner which is comprehensible to other speakers of English (which is demeaning), I shall simply assume that you're asking for the PIE etymon of "diadem". Ultimately, it's from PIE **déh1mṇ "band, something wrapped around." The διά- bit has a PIE etymon as well in *dis- "apart", but it's unlikely that **dis-déh1mṇ is a PIE formation.

Thank you.
A pleasure, as always. It has always been an ambition of mine to serve as a breathing dictionary of etymology.
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Twpsyn Pentref wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:
Dewrad wrote:
Curan Roshac wrote:Another Greek question; the etymology of Diadema and how the PIE root might come to develop less for the item a ruler wears on their head or any act of ruling but as the title of ruler itself.
I am unable to parse anything beyond "and" in any sensible way. Rather than asking you to rephrase your post in a manner which is comprehensible to other speakers of English (which is demeaning), I shall simply assume that you're asking for the PIE etymon of "diadem". Ultimately, it's from PIE **déh1mṇ "band, something wrapped around." The διά- bit has a PIE etymon as well in *dis- "apart", but it's unlikely that **dis-déh1mṇ is a PIE formation.
Thank you.

And I am a native speaker of English. Whatever difficulty you are having is not at all my fault.
Yes it is. I think you meant the following, but I'm not sure:

"Another Greek question: the etymology of diadema. Also, I'm wondering how the PIE root might (hypothetically) come to develop into a term for the title of a ruler rather than for the item a ruler wears on their head or for the act of ruling."
Indeed I did. Sorry for not clarifying.
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