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German Case Evolution

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:34 pm
by Abi
I keep reading that cases come from affixes prepositions, how then, did German get cases on its' articles? I wouldn't think "the in dog house" would occur...

Re: German Case Evolution

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:44 pm
by TaylorS
The definite article is derived from the demonstrative pronouns, which inflected to agree with the nouns they modified.

Re: German Case Evolution

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:03 am
by Jipí
And, the use of articles arose when the shifts from Old High German to Middle High German wrecked the original case marking with suffixes, most notably because of V → ə / [-stress]_ (which also simplified conjugation). I imagine the Romance languages developed articles out of demonstrative pronouns for similar reasons?

EDIT: Lookit http://alexmidd.co.uk/Marmaria/ohg/ohg_primer_09.htm!

Re: German Case Evolution

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:19 am
by el morón
Abi wrote:I keep reading that cases come from affixes prepositions, how then, did German get cases on its' articles? I wouldn't think "the in dog house" would occur...
I think markedcasogenesis can sometimes be described in terms of affixed prepositionalish particles, but you'd have to go further back in time and see how it worked in Proto-PIE. German, OHG, Proto-Germanic or PIE never had a structure analogous to "the-PREP", they had "the-CASEMARKER". The process through which affixed prepositions become case markers doesn't have to repeat itself in all the daughter languages.