The Innovative Usage Thread

[linguoboy]

'He his own self was the sole winner of the contest'
nah

"Go get your own _____!"
Types of phrases are quite clearly where it genesis'd from.

I'm not so sure. The emphatic use is quite common IMD and is found in the King James Bible, e.g. "I can of my own self do nothing" (John 5:30).

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I wonder if words ending in clusters/single stops that would result in a larger cluster from -d are more likely to be spontaneously given a new past tense form. Like, Chagen's example scrape ends in p and pt is a little bit difficult to say so would this change be more likely as opposed to a word like, say, 'to crane'?

[gmalivuk]

I wonder if words ending in clusters/single stops that would result in a larger cluster from -d are more likely to be spontaneously given a new past tense form. Like, Chagen's example scrape ends in p and pt is a little bit difficult to say so would this change be more likely as opposed to a word like, say, 'to crane'?

I suspect it has more to do with which irregulars sound similar enough to interfere. I've definitely heard "bring/brang/brung" despite no final cluster or stop, and I could imagine "crone" as an accidental past tense for "crane", whereas "roped" and "helped" end in the same /pt/ cluster as "scraped", but I can't think of what novel past form would go well with either of those.

[Drydic]

I wonder if words ending in clusters/single stops that would result in a larger cluster from -d are more likely to be spontaneously given a new past tense form. Like, Chagen's example scrape ends in p and pt is a little bit difficult to say so would this change be more likely as opposed to a word like, say, 'to crane'?

I suspect it has more to do with which irregulars sound similar enough to interfere. I've definitely heard "bring/brang/brung" despite no final cluster or stop, and I could imagine "crone" as an accidental past tense for "crane", whereas "roped" and "helped" end in the same /pt/ cluster as "scraped", but I can't think of what novel past form would go well with either of those.

I hear holp is actually attested (as a possibly-novel form).

[Astraios]

That's archaic.

[Drydic]

Still answers the question.

[gmalivuk]

Okay, so bad example. Point is there are plenty of -p words that would be hard to irregularize because there aren't similar-sounding irregular verbs to start with. Ones that likewise have /o/ as the vowel:
rope, hope, dope, mope, cope, soap, etc.

[ol bofosh]

L2:

"play with it around" (play around with it)
"take a before-and-after photo" (take a photo before and after)
"make a pause" (take a break)

[Thry]

?

tontea con eso
échale una foto antes y después
tómate un descanso

[Astraios]

"take a before-and-after photo" (take a photo before and after)

That's not innovative, you're just that far behind the world of photography that you haven't discovered this is A Thing yet. :p

[ol bofosh]

I'm behind a lot of things technological. I've not even touched an iphone or ipad. My nephew looked at my phone the other day and said "It has such a small screen, it doesn't look like a real phone." Yes, thank you. I remember the days when phones bigger than mine were called "bricks".

Thanks for pointing out that I'm a good old-fashioned cavernícola.

[Thry]

estás hecho un carca, tío

[ol bofosh]

estás hecho un carca, tío

Palabra del día, gracias.

[Rui]

I'm behind a lot of things technological. I've not even touched an iphone or ipad. My nephew looked at my phone the other day and said "It has such a small screen, it doesn't look like a real phone." Yes, thank you. I remember the days when phones bigger than mine were called "bricks".

Remember the days when phones didn't even have screens?

(Second Astraios on the "before-and-after photo" is not innovative, btw)

[Drydic]

I'm behind a lot of things technological. I've not even touched an iphone or ipad. My nephew looked at my phone the other day and said "It has such a small screen, it doesn't look like a real phone." Yes, thank you. I remember the days when phones bigger than mine were called "bricks".

Remember the days when phones didn't even have screens?

(Second Astraios on the "before-and-after photo" is not innovative, btw)

Why would a phone have a screen? It'd get in the way of the number pad and the handset...not to mention it'd probably need a dedicated power cord.

[Thry]

estás hecho un carca, tío

Palabra del día, gracias.

De gracias nada, apoquina. [y con eso supongo que va otra palabra del día xD]

[ol bofosh]

Okay, do you take pebble tokens or goats?

[Thry]

Let's settle this for 2 goats + your firstborn [in Sp, primogénito].

[Izambri]

estás hecho un carca, tío

Palabra del día, gracias.

carca
19th century; from Spanish carca, short form of carcunda "reactionary", from Galician-Portuguese carcunda, corcunda "mean, stingy", alteration of corcova "hump; hunchback", from Late Latin cucurvus "curved, crooked".

1 Carline from the 19th century Spanish civil wars.
2 Absolutist, withdrawn in its own religious and political ideas.
3 A person of reactionary ideas.

[Thry]

"from Spanish"? AHA, you took that from a Catalan dictionary. PILLADO """in fraganti""".
[the punishment is being subject to w/e carcas want to do to you, probably fusilation]... and I'll take your goats too.

[Izambri]

"from Spanish"? AHA, you took that from a Catalan dictionary. PILLADO """in fraganti""".
[the punishment is being subject to w/e carcas want to do to you, probably fusilation]... and I'll take your goats too.

*The Drunkenjunta rejects your motion*

[ol bofosh]

Let's settle this for 2 goats + your firstborn [in Sp, primogénito].

One goat and I'll throw in half a dozen chicken for free. Final offer.

[Thry]

*The Drunkenjunta rejects your motion*

You cannot dodge my bullets drunk, now can you!

One goat and I'll throw in half a dozen chicken for free. Final offer.

Fine, as long as one of those chicken lays golden eggs and knows how to sing una jota de su tierra aragonesa.

[sunandshadow]

But would you accept "you can definitely see you" as grammatical, Nessari?

I'm sure people would say that phrase around here, though not as a complete sentence. "You can see you have been defeated." is definitely grammatical to me. "You can see you are about to run out of time." "You can see you will win shortly." On the other hand "you can see yourself" or "you can see for yourself" can't have the "yourself" replaced with "you".

It seems like most of the innovative usages I encounter I read on the internet before I hear them in real life. "That is happy-making!" "If you make a video game with anthro characters of course people will want to cyber in it, because furries." And Doge-speak, which is melodramatic faux Engrish that almost always includes "Wow!", number disagreement, referring to oneself in the third person, and using adverbs where adjectives would be expected and adjectives where adverbs would be expected: "Many question! Such confuze! Wow! Doge has no idea what do! Very headache! You is help? Doge begging!"

[Ser]

Doge-speak? Is that the term for the new dog version of lolcat?

Also, where (what sites) is that being used? (I've only seen ONE reference to "talking like a puppy" so far on facebook, just last week...)