The Innovative Usage Thread

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One I came up with a few weeks ago on the spot: "doordancing".
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Someone at the [i]Onion[/i] wrote:The girl is supposedly dead—she drowned in a dam, but somehow her body was never found

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I don't know if this is regional, but a lot people over 50 here say "bye now" to mean "see you later".

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TaylorS wrote:I don't know if this is regional, but a lot people over 50 here say "bye now" to mean "see you later".
If it's only used by older people, wouldn't that make it the opposite of "innovative"?

(I'm still under 50 and that strikes me as a completely unremarkable thing to say.)

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linguoboy wrote:
TaylorS wrote:I don't know if this is regional, but a lot people over 50 here say "bye now" to mean "see you later".
If it's only used by older people, wouldn't that make it the opposite of "innovative"?

(I'm still under 50 and that strikes me as a completely unremarkable thing to say.)
People say that not uncommonly all over the British Isles, and not only over 50s. Though it's a bit "nice", so you wouldn't hear hard lads saying it.
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It sounds Irish to me.

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re: noun incorporation, the bus I took yesterday was "bathroom-equipped", vs. "equipado con lavasomethings"
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nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
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Yeah, old people like to put "now" on things.

My grandfather used to say "Safe journey home, now" as we were leaving.

"You take care, now."
"Have you, now?"

These sound either like old people phrases or just completely plain phrases.

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I use "have you, now?"

The others are a bit rarer for me to say, but I can and do say them.

Sometimes I say "bye/see you, then."
It was about time I changed this.

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linguoboy wrote:
TaylorS wrote:I don't know if this is regional, but a lot people over 50 here say "bye now" to mean "see you later".
If it's only used by older people, wouldn't that make it the opposite of "innovative"?

(I'm still under 50 and that strikes me as a completely unremarkable thing to say.)
It sounds familiar to me too, though I've never used it myself.
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linguoboy wrote:
TaylorS wrote:I don't know if this is regional, but a lot people over 50 here say "bye now" to mean "see you later".
If it's only used by older people, wouldn't that make it the opposite of "innovative"?

(I'm still under 50 and that strikes me as a completely unremarkable thing to say.)
Same thought here; it is unremarkable to me, and I'm a good bit younger than linguoboy.
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Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
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I was watching a Let's Play video, and the commentator had [lɛɱf] ~ [leɱf] for the word "length". Does nasal assimilation occur often in this place with people who have <th> [f]?

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Tieđđá wrote:I was watching a Let's Play video, and the commentator had [lɛɱf] ~ [leɱf] for the word "length". Does nasal assimilation occur often in this place with people who have <th> [f]?
Sounds like (sub)urban SE England to me. So, not an innovation as such - though I've also heard [leŋf].
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I've heard a lot of people with [lɛnθ], so this is just one more step away; once it's already assimilated to the t it'll just follow the f like an obedient dog.

Again, the other option is to insert a k to break up the cluster, and that's what I do.

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finlay wrote:Again, the other option is to insert a k to break up the cluster, and that's what I do.
Same here, i.e. /ˈleŋkθ/ > [ˈʟ̞ẽŋkθ]~[ˈɰẽŋkθ].
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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Wait, <length> is supposed to have a /E/? I have /I/ in mine.
Nūdhrēmnāva naraśva, dṛk śraṣrāsit nūdhrēmanīṣṣ iźdatīyyīm woḥīm madhēyyaṣṣi.
satisfaction-DEF.SG-LOC live.PERFECTIVE-1P.INCL but work-DEF.SG-PRIV satisfaction-DEF.PL.NOM weakeness-DEF.PL-DAT only lead-FUT-3P

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Chagen wrote:Wait, <length> is supposed to have a /E/? I have /I/ in mine.
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I don't have the pin-pen merger, though. /I/ and /E/ are distinguished in my dialect.
Nūdhrēmnāva naraśva, dṛk śraṣrāsit nūdhrēmanīṣṣ iźdatīyyīm woḥīm madhēyyaṣṣi.
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then you have an incomplete pin-pen merger

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Chagen wrote:I don't have the pin-pen merger, though. /I/ and /E/ are distinguished in my dialect.
They are in my dialect, too, but not before nasals.

Or do you mean to say that you distinguish /ɪ/ and /ɛ/ before /ŋ/, just not in the word length? In which case, minimal pair please?

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Actually, I think they're merged but only before a velar nasal. I can distinguish them before /N/ with concious thought, but normally they just both come out as /I/.
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How do people interpret this sentence?
  • For example, bear grease has been substituted for extra virgin olive oil in Nuwati’s line of balms.
What's actually in the balms, olive oil or bear grease?

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linguoboy wrote:How do people interpret this sentence?
  • For example, bear grease has been substituted for extra virgin olive oil in Nuwati’s line of balms.
What's actually in the balms, olive oil or bear grease?
Olive oil. It seems a literal translation from Catalan:
  • Per exemple, el greix d'ós ha estat substituït per oli d'oliva verge en la línia de bàlsams de Nuwati.
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.

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linguoboy wrote:How do people interpret this sentence?
  • For example, bear grease has been substituted for extra virgin olive oil in Nuwati’s line of balms.
What's actually in the balms, olive oil or bear grease?
Bear grease in Nuwati's, olive oil in other lines.

Are people confusing "for" and "with"?

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