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Can we agree to stop saying "attorneys general," please? The plural is "attorney generals." I know that from a purely prescriptivist angle it doesn't make sense to add the plural to the adjective, but it's an unusual word with an adjective after the noun it describes and "attorney generals" is the generally accepted form.

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May or may not be "innovative" (rather than "retained"), but...

From an Irish-born speaker: I was never to... to mean "I've never been to". ("I was never to New York", for instance).
From another Irish-born speaker: press to mean "cupboard".
From an English speaker: speakative to mean "talkative". Talking about a pet, so possibly a humorous element, but it didn't sound that way.

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I've been mocked for saying 'eclipse, but give it another couple generations and kids'll be surprised to hear that the noun was ever pronounced any other way.


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Do people say it that way now?


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For me the noun is [ˈiˌkʰɰɘʔps] whereas the verb is [ɘˈkʰɰɘʔps].

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I have heard it with the stress on the initial /i/ before, though I tend to associate that with a more rural dialect for whatever (probably biased) reason.


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Yay for observing language change in the making!


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Hmm, strange. I guess this isn't the "what pronunciation do you use" thread, but what about "synapse"? I remember consciously deciding to pronounce it with word-final stress, partly by analogy with "eclipse", "ellipse" and "collapse" and partly because I didn't want to have to decide whether to go with stressed /aɪ/ or stressed /ɪ/ in the first syllable--with my current pronunciation I just used reduced /ɪ/~/ə/.

I guess I would probably pronounce the noun "relapse" with first-syllable stress, though. So much for consistency ... and I dunno about "prolapse", since I don't think I've ever actually said it aloud.


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I think I just heard someone in a TV commercial say Freder[i]cksburg so it sounds like "Fred-reeks-burg."


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