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Latin questions
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:44 am
by Thomas Winwood
What happened in Latin to initial GN? Are there any native Latin words beginning with GN which left descendants in the Romance languages, or is my only data point the non-native name GNAEVS (from Etruscan Cneve)?
Are there any Latin words which aren't derived forms where an H is surrounded by differing vowels? What happens in the daughter languages to those?
And finally, where can I find a list of Latin words? Not a dictionary - I don't care about definitions - I just want a big list of words I can plug into ASCA. (With macrons please.)
Re: Latin questions
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:17 am
by Niedokonany
XinuX wrote:Are there any Latin words which aren't derived forms where an H is surrounded by differing vowels? What happens in the daughter languages to those?
E.g.
traho, in Spanish apparently it's just that the /h/ disappears in most forms in the present indicative (
trae, traemos), only the 1sg is now
traigo.
Re: Latin questions
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:25 pm
by Ser
XinuX wrote:Are there any native Latin words beginning with GN which left descendants in the Romance languages
Are there any native Latin words beginning with gn-?
Re: Latin questions
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:55 pm
by zompist
Gnārus 'skilled'?
Re: Latin questions
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:03 pm
by Soap
Well, you may already know this, but nacere 'to be born' was originally gnacere, which is why pregnant still has a -g-. So essentially there was a sound change replacing all initial gn- with just n-. Gnarus may be a loan or it may be an exception; I wouldnt know.
Re: Latin questions
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:12 am
by Twpsyn Pentref
Soap wrote:you may already know this, but nacere 'to be born' was originally gnacere
nascere and
gnascere, rather; and the verb was deponent, so
nasci and
gnasci.
zompist wrote:Gnārus 'skilled'?
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/res ... gn&lang=la
gnaphalion,
Gnidus (for
Cnidus),
gnome,
gnomon,
gnostice,
Gnosus (for
Cnosus), are Greek.
gnarigavit and
gnarivisse are archaisms for forms of
narrare attested by a grammarian; likewise
gnitus and
gnixus for forms of
nitor;
nobilis, also, was apparently once written
gnobilis.
Gnatia appears to be an aphetic form for
Egnatia.
gnavus and
gnarus are both native and are related.
Gnipho is a Roman name; its etymology is probably unknown. We already know about
gnosco and
gnascor and
Gnaeus. And the remaining words on the list are derivations. It would appear that there are three native roots, corresponding to
gnosco,
gnascor, and
gnitor, that were anciently written with the
g.