The glottal stop

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The glottal stop

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This may well be one of those ultra-basic things taught in Linguistics 1, but are there any (I don't want to say rules) general characteristics of languages that have the glottal stop as a phoneme? Just to make sure I am not misusing the word, what I think phoneme means is a contrasting sound, like how in English pat and cat are different words because of the first sound /ph/ and /kh/. Please don't jump down my throat if I did not analyze the sounds correctly, it isn't the point of my question.
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Not that I know of, but re: your sig, Urho Kekkonen was president of Finland from 1956 to 1982. In a country that generally was acknowledged to be democratic.

A search at the universals archive may help, but I didn't find anything particularly interesting, most of the stuff there were sort of not very obvious, and very few were of the form "glottal stop -> X" (there were disjunctions and "X->glottal stop goes everywhere" kinds of things), things like this was the closest I found:
IF stops are the only final word margin, THEN they will be glottal stops.
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sirred wrote:Just to make sure I am not misusing the word, what I think phoneme means is a contrasting sound
Correct, that's a phoneme.
like how in English pat and cat are different words because of the first sound /ph/ and /kh/.
Well, either (in this case preferable, since we're talking phonemes) you say /p/ and /k/, because those are the phonemes, or you say [ph] and [kh], as phones (since aspiration is not phonemic in English).


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Miekko wrote:Not that I know of, but re: your sig, Urho Kekkonen was president of Finland from 1956 to 1982. In a country that generally was acknowledged to be democratic.

A search at the universals archive may help, but I didn't find anything particularly interesting, most of the stuff there were sort of not very obvious, and very few were of the form "glottal stop -> X" (there were disjunctions and "X->glottal stop goes everywhere" kinds of things), things like this was the closest I found:
IF stops are the only final word margin, THEN they will be glottal stops.
I couldnt find that on the site. By final word margin, do you mean the last consonant in a word? Inuit violates that, since it has the only permissible final consonants in a word as -q -k -t (and maybe -p, though I cant find a word that ends in it) and no glottal stop. I suppose it could be interpreted as saying "if all words must end in a stop (i.e. no vowels), that stop must be a glottal stop." But does such a language even exist? A language where all words must end in a glottal stop?

edit: ah, I found it. Direct linking doesnt seem to work though.
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Soap wrote:Inuit violates that, since it has the only permissible final consonants in a word as -q -k -t (and maybe -p, though I cant find a word that ends in it) and no glottal stop.
Isn't the [ergative?] suffix something like -up?

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Astraios wrote:
Soap wrote:Inuit violates that, since it has the only permissible final consonants in a word as -q -k -t (and maybe -p, though I cant find a word that ends in it) and no glottal stop.
Isn't the [ergative?] suffix something like -up?
Yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_grammar#Subjects_2
E.g. Piitaup paliisi takupauk? - Does Peter see the policeman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_phonology says
"There are also some restrictions on final consonants, where only voiceless plosives (/p t k q/) can occur unless consonant sandhi has occurred."
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