The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[Travis B.]

phonemic: [fɘ̃ːˈnĩːmɘʔk] or [fn̩ːˈnĩːmɘʔk]
Arkansas: [ˈʌʁkn̩tsɒː]

[ol bofosh]

Okay, now, how do you pronounce Oconomowoc? (Hint, you can pronounce it with either three or four different vowel phonemes, with the careful pronunciation having four.)

[ˌɒ.kʰə.ˈnɜʉ.mə.wɒk] would be my attempt.

[opipik]

Oconomowoc

[ɑ̝kʰənɔʊmɘwɔk]

[sirdanilot]

what fun I love Native words !

[alynnidalar]

Okay, now, how do you pronounce Oconomowoc? (Hint, you can pronounce it with either three or four different vowel phonemes, with the careful pronunciation having four.)

Something along the lines of [aˈkʰanəˌmawɛk], I think, or maybe [ʌˈkʰanəˌmawɛk].

[L'alphabētarium]

phonemic [fə'nɛ.mɪk]
Arkansas ['ɑɹ.kən.sʌː], but sometimes it's [əɹ'kæn.zɪs] in my head, though I know it's wrong!
Oconomowoc [ə.kə'nʌ.mə.wʌk] would be my guess...

[vokzhen]

Mine would be [ɵʊ̯kənäməwɒk] (/o:kənɒməwɔ:k/ in very broad transcription). Possibly under influence of economic and/or Okinawa.

[ol bofosh]

Phonetic difference between the /D/s in that and breathe?

They're both /D/ but there's a qualitative difference that I can only describe as being more aspirated in the second one.

[finlay]

Okay, now, how do you pronounce Oconomowoc? (Hint, you can pronounce it with either three or four different vowel phonemes, with the careful pronunciation having four.)

i'm tempted to try [Qk@"nQm@wQ:] thru the influence of names like Mackinac and Arkansas ["Ar\kn=sQ:].

(as for Okinawa, [okinawa] .. well alright [QkI"naw@])

phonemic is [f@"nimI?k] - or to make it fit itself, /f@"ni:mIk/

[Travis B.]

Carefully, Oconomowoc is /oʊˈkɑnəməˌwɔːk/ [oˈkʰãːnə̃ːməːˌwɒʔk] and, not carefully, it is /əˈkɑnəməˌwɔːk/ [əˈkʰãːnə̃ːməːˌwɒʔk]*. Note that there is some idiolectal variation, as some will have [ɑ] for /ɔː/ and some will have [oʊ] for /oʊ/.

* I personally tend to reduce this further to [əˈkʰãːːməːˌwɒʔk].

[jal]

What about diphthong? I pronounced it ['dIfTON], but once I learned there's also a monopthong, it's probably ['dAIfTON]?


JAL

[ol bofosh]

["dIp.TQN]
Time for a trip to wiktionary. :E

edit: oh good, you can say it /p/ or /f/. I live in dread of commiting faux pas

[jal]

Time for a trip to wiktionary.

Well, that would be all too easy, wouldn't it? :)


JAL

[finlay]

What about diphthong? I pronounced it ['dIfTON], but once I learned there's also a monopthong, it's probably ['dAIfTON]?


JAL

they're not self-demonstrating words.

[L'alphabētarium]

It's either ['dɪp.θʌŋ] or ['dɪf.θʌŋ] for me.

flour vs flower?
Any audible difference for you guys?

[finlay]

nope

[Sumelic]

What about diphthong? I pronounced it ['dIfTON], but once I learned there's also a monopthong, it's probably ['dAIfTON]?

Doesn't make a difference, at least not for the standard pronunciation -- with Greek-based words, closed syllables before these types of cross-syllabic clusters ( <p.t>, <x> = /k.s/, <ph.th> etc) have a short vowel as a rule. (E.g. monopteral~dipteral and monoploid~diploid.)
I have:
['dɪfθɑŋ]
[fl̥aʊɚ]

[Zaarin]

flour vs flower?
Any audible difference for you guys?

Hm, maybe slightly in careful speech. [flaʊɻ] vs. [flaʊɚ]; in normal speech, though, both would be [flaʊɻ].

[opipik]

How do you pronounce:

lose
loose
loser
ate

[Sumelic]

[lu̟ːz͡z̥] /luz/
[lu̟ˑs] /lus/
[lu̟ːzɚ] /luzɚ/
[eɪ̯ʔt] /e͡ɪt/

[Travis B.]

lose /luːz/ [ʟ̞uːs]~[ɰuːs]
loose /luːs/ [ʟ̞us]~[ɰus]
loser /ˈluːzər/ [ˈʟ̞uːzʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɰuːzʁ̩(ː)]
ate /eɪt/ [eʔ]~[eʔt]

[L'alphabētarium]

lose [lʉ(ː)z]
loose [lʉ(ː)s]
loser [lʉ(ː)zɚ]
ate [e͡ɪt]

[Bristel]

lose /luːz/ [ʟ̞uːs]~[ɰuːs]
loose /luːs/ [ʟ̞us]~[ɰus]
loser /ˈluːzər/ [ˈʟ̞uːzʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɰuːzʁ̩(ː)]
ate /eɪt/ [eʔ]~[eʔt]

You have a marked labialization?

[ęzo]

lose /luz/ [luːz]
loose /lus/ [lus]
loser /ˈluzɚ/ [ˈluːzɻ̩]
ate /eɪt/ [e̞et̚]

[ol bofosh]

flower vs. flour
[flæʊ̯ɜ̯]
[flæɞ̯ɜ̯]
Respectively, in careful speech. In general I probably say both [flæɞ̯ɜ̯], more or less.

<lose> [lʏːʉ̯z]
<loose> [lʏʉ̯s]
<loser> [ˈlʏːʉ̯.zɜ]
<looser> [lʏʉ̯.sɜ]
<ate> [ɛʔ͡t̚] (since living with my girfriend who says [ejt] I've been slipping to [ɛɪ̯ʔ͡t̚])