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Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?
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Imralu wrote:Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?
I don't think I've heard that yet, but it would definitely make me cringe.

Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.
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Zaarin wrote:Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.
Yep. It's probably closer to [ɜ̃.n̩.nə̃ɘ̯̃].
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I typically say "I dunno" as something like [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ɾʌ.nʌ].

If I elide it further, I get [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ʌ̃.ʌ].
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When speaking very informally, I pronounce I don't know as something like [ˌaːˈnɤ(ː)].
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So... "antiquary"?
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Something like [ˈæntɪˌkwɛɹ̠ˁi] for me. The /t/ isn't aspirated, and my /r/ is the American "bunched r." Took me a minute to figure out where the stress is.
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I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).

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linguoboy wrote:I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).
Same here; I preserve /nt/ as [nt] or realize it as [t], eliding the /n/, in antiquary rather than pronouncing it as [ɾ̃] or eliding it outright as I normally would in this posiiton.
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['æːn.tʰɪ̈.̩kʰwɛ.ɹ̠ʷˠɪi̯]

And because I wasn't sure where the stress went, here's the other example:
[æn.'tʰɪk.wə.ʋɹ̠ʷˠɪɨ̯]

Interesting how the last syllable changes.
Zaarin wrote:Something like [ˈæntɪˌkwɛɹ̠ˁi] for me. The /t/ isn't aspirated, and my /r/ is the American "bunched r." Took me a minute to figure out where the stress is.
That's what I wasn't sure of. Since I don't remember ever hearing it, I didn't know whether to stress the first or second syllable.
linguoboy wrote:I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).
After /n/ I usually glottalis /t/s, except when it comes before a vowel, then it appears.
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artifacts

arty facts
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artifacts: /ˈʌrtəfækts/ [ˈʌʁ(ɾ)ɘfɛʔksʲ]
arty facts: /ˌʌrtiˈfækts/ [ˌʌʁ(ɾ)iˈfɛʔksʲ]
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Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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Imralu wrote:Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?
I don't think that's derivation from "iron"; I think it's just that /rə/ and /ər/ aren't distinguished very well (if at all) in that position.
Zaarin wrote:Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.
A nasalized schwa with a particular pitch pattern.
ol bofosh wrote:artifacts

arty facts
/artɨfækts/ [ˈɔɚ̯ɽɨˌfæk(t)s]
/artɨ fækts/ [ˈɔɚ̯ɽij ˈfæk(t)s]
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oyster: /ˈɔɪstər/ [ˈɔɪsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɔɪsʲːʁ̩(ː)]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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[ɔɪ̯stɹ̩]
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Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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[ɔːstɹ̩]
[s] might be a velarized

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catalpa

(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)

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[kɐˈtɑɫpa] - in Dutch, that is :)


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I don't have that as a native word in my dialect, but I would probably pronounce it as:

catalpa: /kəˈtɔlpə/ [kʰɘˈtʰɒo̯pə(ː)]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
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ˈɔɪ̯.stɜ

kʰə.ˈtʰæɫ.pʰɜ (would be my guess)
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/kʰə.tæl.pə/
[bɹ̠ˤʷɪs.təɫ]
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Travis B. wrote:I don't have that as a native word in my dialect
Me neither. The OED lists only /kəˈtælpə/, and that seems to align in terms of vowel quality with words like alpine, scalpel, palpitate.

So I'd go with /kəˈtælpɐ/ [kʰəˈtʰa̟ɫpʰɐ]

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linguoboy wrote:catalpa

(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)
I have always heard it stressed on the 2nd syllable.

/kəˈtælpə/
[ˈktʰæɰpə]

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FWIW, the l is intrusive. (The etymon is catawba.) It's lacking in my dialect, i.e. /kəˈtɔpə/.

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