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['sɪz.hɛt] I've always had a habit of pronouncing cis with a z at the end. I don't know how I came up with it but I can't train myself to pronounce it a different way.

I also pronounce forlorn and forsake with /o/ in the first syllable. Temperature is ['tɪmpəɹtʃəɹ], the first two syllables being identical with "temper".

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thetha wrote:['sɪz.hɛt] I've always had a habit of pronouncing cis with a z at the end. I don't know how I came up with it but I can't train myself to pronounce it a different way.
Hmm, maybe analogy with "trans(-)"?

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thetha wrote:['sɪz.hɛt] I've always had a habit of pronouncing cis with a z at the end.
Me, too.

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In my head, I pronounce "cishet" as /"sIS@t/, lol.

So, pronunciations please of

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Imralu wrote:In my head, I pronounce "cishet" as /"sIS@t/, lol.
[ˈtɕisxɛt]
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Imralu wrote:Craig
Graham
Graeme
[kɹɛɪg]
[ˈgrɛɪəm]

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Pole, the wrote:[ˈtɕisxɛt]
[ˈt͡sʲis̪χɜt̪ʰ], if I can add my two cents.
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[kʰɹɛg]
['gɹejəm] but also [gɹæm] crackers
I don't know this word
Sumelic wrote:
thetha wrote:['sɪz.hɛt] I've always had a habit of pronouncing cis with a z at the end. I don't know how I came up with it but I can't train myself to pronounce it a different way.
Hmm, maybe analogy with "trans(-)"?
that seems very possible

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Craig: [kʰʁɜːk], followed by a vowel [kʰʁɜːg]
Graham, Graeme: [kʁɛ̃(ː)m]
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Imralu wrote:Craig
Graham
Graeme
[kʰɻʷɛˑɪ̯g̚]
[gɻʷɛɪ̯ʔm̩]
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Craig /kreːg/
Graham /græm/, /grɛəm/
Graeme /grɛəm/

/græm/ is my native pronunciation and the one I use for "Graham crackers" and North Americans bearers of "Graham" as a given name or surname. But I knew an Englishman named "Graham" once and he instructed me to say his name in two syllables with /eː/. Listening to myself now, the stressed vowel sounds closer to [ɛː] (I hear no [ɪ̯] at all), but then my /e(ː)/ has always been lower than cardinal [e] (something I first discovered in Germany).

I've only ever seen "Graeme" used by people from the UK, so I naturally approximate a UK pronunciation when I see it. "Craig" is a common name here and I've never met a Craig from abroad, so I've never had reason to adopt a UK pronunciation with /ɛ/.

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linguoboy wrote:Listening to myself now, the stressed vowel sounds closer to [ɛː] (I hear no [ɪ̯] at all), but then my /e(ː)/ has always been lower than cardinal [e] (something I first discovered in Germany)
I have too noticed that my /eɪ/ is lower than cardinal myself, being [e̞] when short and [ɛ̝ː] when long (such that my vowels in bade and bad, [ɛ̝ː] and [ɛː], are very close together, such that I would not be surprised if they merged in the future).
linguoboy wrote:I've only ever seen "Graeme" used by people from the UK, so I naturally approximate a UK pronunciation when I see it. "Craig" is a common name here and I've never met a Craig from abroad, so I've never had reason to adopt a UK pronunciation with /ɛ/.
I have never thought of the pronunciaton of Craig with /ɛ/ as being a UK pronunciation; after all, it is my native pronunciation, and I have known very few people IRL who are British (I have known IRL more Germans than Brits actually).
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Pronouncing Craig to rhyme with Greg is very American.

and Graham and Graeme are the same

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linguoboy wrote:my /e(ː)/ has always been lower than cardinal [e] (something I first discovered in Germany)
I've noticed a number of English speakers tend to (mis)hear German [eː] as /iː/, though that's probably partly attributable to the lack of dipthongization as well as the vowel height.

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Sumelic wrote:
linguoboy wrote:my /e(ː)/ has always been lower than cardinal [e] (something I first discovered in Germany)
I've noticed a number of English speakers tend to (mis)hear German [eː] as /iː/, though that's probably partly attributable to the lack of dipthongization as well as the vowel height.
I do this, and it is definitely the vowel height since my normal /eɪ/ is a monophthong except sporadically diphthongizing word-finally or before vowels.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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Short question about the NEAR vowel. Most reflexes of it in Jamaican have /ie/, which would seem to coincide nicely, except that /ie/ comes from /eː/, and NEAR is /ɪə/ or /ɪɚ/. So the question is whether the historical pronunciation of NEAR has a lower starting point (i.e. /e/), if not in RP than in some other common dialect? Irish perhaps?


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jal wrote:Short question about the NEAR vowel. Most reflexes of it in Jamaican have /ie/, which would seem to coincide nicely, except that /ie/ comes from /eː/, and NEAR is /ɪə/ or /ɪɚ/. So the question is whether the historical pronunciation of NEAR has a lower starting point (i.e. /e/), if not in RP than in some other common dialect? Irish perhaps?
Isn't it just a merger of /ie ← e:/ and /ie ← iər/?
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jal wrote:Short question about the NEAR vowel. Most reflexes of it in Jamaican have /ie/, which would seem to coincide nicely, except that /ie/ comes from /eː/, and NEAR is /ɪə/ or /ɪɚ/. So the question is whether the historical pronunciation of NEAR has a lower starting point (i.e. /e/), if not in RP than in some other common dialect? Irish perhaps?
I can't think of another dialect that does this, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there is one: this is basically the front equivalent to the lowering seen in the very common change of the cure/poor vowel to the north/force vowel.

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forward
foreword
forehead

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forward [ˈfɔɹ̠ˁwɹ̩ˁd]
foreword [fɔɹ̠ˁˈwɹ̩ˁd]
forehead [ˈfɔɹ̠ˁhɛd]
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forward: [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ːt], before a vowel [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ːɾ] or [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ː], before a nasal [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ːn]
foreward: [ˈfɔːrwʁ̩ːt], before a vowel [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ːɾ] or [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ː], before a nasal [ˈfɔːʁwʁ̩ːn]
forehead: [ˈfɔʁhɜːt], before a vowel [ˈfɔʁhɜːɾ] or [ˈfɔʁhɜː], before a nasal [ˈfɔʁhɜːn]
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forward - usually [fɔɹd] in speech, but when emphasized, homophonous with:
foreword - ['fɔɹ.wɚd]

forehead - ['fɔɹ.hɛd]

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Approximately:
forward [fɔːwəd]
foreword [fɔːwɜːd]
forehead [fɔːhɛd]

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forward - ['foɹ.wɚd]
foreword - ['foɹ.wɚd] (a true homophone; no secondary stress)
forehead - ['foɹ.hɛd]

I use the word "foreword" so rarely in speech that I suspect that any context in which I needed to use it, I would probably pronounce it slowly and emphasize both syllables, but if I used the word many times while giving a speech, once the context was clear I would shift to the ordinary pronunciation where it would be a true homophone of forward.

I basically just copied thetha's transciprtions but changed the [ɔ] to [o] in all three words because I dont believe I can make a contrast between the two; I think this is normal for the cot-caught merger. Some people with the cot-caught merger have /ɒ/ in forehead, but not in the other words as far as I know.
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Am I really the only American who distinguishes forward and foreword?
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