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Only very vaguely.

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quaff [kʰwɔf]
waft [wɔft̚ ~ wɔf]
waffle [ˈwɔfəw]
Jungian ['jʊŋɪjə̃] (although I had no idea how to say this and probably would have said [dʒɐŋgɪjə̃])
diphthongal [ˈdɘpθɔŋəw]
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Leia
Chewie

I'm asking about these because of the hiatuses appearing in these words. Also, the word Chewie and similar for Poles Maui have a recently imported [ɥ] sound, especially in declined forms, and I wonder about pronunciation details of one of them in its source language.
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Leia: [ˈʟ̞eː(j)ə(ː)~[ˈɰeː(j)ə(ː)]
Chewie: [ˈtɕʰuːwi(ː)]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Leia
Chewie

I'm asking about these because of the hiatuses appearing in these words.
I would pronounce them (in English) /ˈleɪ ə/ and /ˈtʃuː i/.

Neither word is phonetically unusual. Both FACE /eɪ/ and GOOSE /uː/ are free vowels, and they're often followed by another vowel in the same word. Compare Leia with layer (in a non-rhotic accent, they're homophones) and Chewie with gooey or Louie. I don't think there's any actual hiatus here: there's a "virtual" semivowel /j, w/ between the two vowels.

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How do you pronounce the following phonetically:

"tastes good"
"tastes bad"
"tastes funny"

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Looks like I tend to elide the /t/ in that consonant cluster:
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s gʊd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s bæːd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s fɐ̃ni]
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What is your pronunciation of quagmire?
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quagmire [ˈkʷʰwægmaɪ̯ɹ̠ˁ]
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Znex wrote:Looks like I tend to elide the /t/ in that consonant cluster:
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s gʊd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s bæːd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s fɐ̃ni]
Looks like you have the bad-lad split. That's pretty universal in Australian English apparently. You're Australian and you have [e̞ɪ̯] rather than [æɪ̯] for the "FACE" vowel?

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Fooge wrote:
Znex wrote:Looks like I tend to elide the /t/ in that consonant cluster:
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s gʊd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s bæːd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s fɐ̃ni]
Looks like you have the bad-lad split. That's pretty universal in Australian English apparently. You're Australian and you have [e̞ɪ̯] rather than [æɪ̯] for the "FACE" vowel?
I'm obviously not Znex, but that would probably be due to a more "cultivated" version of AmE; "cultivated" vs. "broad" is a pretty significant difference in NZE and (especially) AusE; for those not in the know, cultivated varieties are associated with higher socioeconomic status and are generally more conservative and closer to RP, while broader varieties are more innovative and generally seen as indicating a lower socioeconomic status. Both extremes are generally stigmatised.

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ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:What is your pronunciation of quagmire?
Huh. Didn't occur to me before that I have /æ/ there. The pronunciation with /ɒ/ doesn't sound wrong per se, but it's not what I would normally use.

I realise that I have an odd split in usage between w/ɒ/ft and w/æ/ft. The former is my native pronunciation and what I would use in intransitive contexts (e.g. "the smell w/ɒ/fting into the room"). But we had a chemistry teacher that taught us the importance of w/æ/fting compounds rather than sticking our faces right into them and we used to imitate her when reminding each other in class.

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linguoboy wrote:
ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:What is your pronunciation of quagmire?
Huh. Didn't occur to me before that I have /æ/ there. The pronunciation with /ɒ/ doesn't sound wrong per se, but it's not what I would normally use.

I realise that I have an odd split in usage between w/ɒ/ft and w/æ/ft. The former is my native pronunciation and what I would use in intransitive contexts (e.g. "the smell w/ɒ/fting into the room"). But we had a chemistry teacher that taught us the importance of w/æ/fting compounds rather than sticking our faces right into them and we used to imitate her when reminding each other in class.
For me at least, w/ɒ/ft and w/æ/ft both seem like valid pronunciations of the word, such that now that I think of it, I'm not sure which is "right" (relative to normal pronunciation here).
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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Fooge wrote:
Znex wrote:Looks like I tend to elide the /t/ in that consonant cluster:
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s gʊd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s bæːd̚]
[tʰe̞ɪ̯s(t)s fɐ̃ni]
Looks like you have the bad-lad split. That's pretty universal in Australian English apparently. You're Australian and you have [e̞ɪ̯] rather than [æɪ̯] for the "FACE" vowel?
Not every Australian uses [æɪ̯], no. I can speak like that, but it's not how I normally talk.
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Cossack
pogrom

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Cossack: [ˈkʰaˌsɛʔk]
pogrom: [ˈpʰaːgʁə̃ːm]

(And now I learn that pogrom is stressed on the second syllable...)
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Travis B. wrote:(And now I learn that pogrom is stressed on the second syllable...)
Initial stress seems common in the USA (and is what inspired this post), but I think you're the first person I've come across with initial stress and /ah/ rather than /ow/.

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linguoboy wrote:
Travis B. wrote:(And now I learn that pogrom is stressed on the second syllable...)
Initial stress seems common in the USA (and is what inspired this post), but I think you're the first person I've come across with initial stress and /ah/ rather than /ow/.
Mind you I have practically never heard this word spoken, but rather have always read it.
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Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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Something loosely along the lines of /ˈpogɹam/ for me.
I generally forget to say, so if it's relevant and I don't mention it--I'm from Southern Michigan and speak Inland North American English. Yes, I have the Northern Cities Vowel Shift; no, I don't have the cot-caught merger; and it is called pop.

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Does anyone say this word with two syllables "kill un"? I pronounce the "n" at the end of the word and just have one syllable but was wondering if anyone breaks it up as "kill un".

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linguoboy wrote:Cossack
pogrom
[ˈkʰɑsæk̚]
[ˈpʰɑgɹəm]

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Europe, Uranus
Do (especially nonrhotic, I think) people change the pre-r /uː/ to /ɔː/ when r is intervocalic? I found a British Youtuber doing that, although I'm not sure, all the circumstances of such words are very quiet. I've just found the Uranus joke in Harry Potter and it'd make a little bit more sense if that happened for more people.
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Europe: [ˈjʁ̩ːʁəʔp]
Uranus: [ˌjʁ̩ːˈʁẽːˌnɘs]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.

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[ˈjʉːɻʷəp]
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ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Europe, Uranus
Do (especially nonrhotic, I think) people change the pre-r /uː/ to /ɔː/ when r is intervocalic? I found a British Youtuber doing that, although I'm not sure, all the circumstances of such words are very quiet. I've just found the Uranus joke in Harry Potter and it'd make a little bit more sense if that happened for more people.
To clarify: there is no /u:/ in these words, and classically there is no /O:/ in "your" either. Europe, Uranus and "your" all have /U:/ (or /U@/).

However, many people have a cure-poor split, where some /U@/ merges with /u@/, and some /U@/ instead merges with /O:/. [most people in the UK probably have some degree of split, but it's very variable and incomplete. "Poor" is lost from the set very easily, whereas, say, "tour" can remain in it a long time].

For me, I have a tendency, largely corrected, to move some /U@/ to /O/, but almost no tendency to move any /U@/ to /u@/. So for me, all three words normally have /U@/, but "your" could sometimes have /O/.

I suspect that nobody has /O/ in "Europe" or "Uranus". Stereotypically, there are old posh accents that seem to have /3/ in them - "Yerp" is even posher than "Yurp". Although /3/ in "your" (and indeed in "you") is a traditional marker of low class.

So Uranus = Your anus mostly works on both words "originally" have /U@/. There may also be people for whom it works because both words have /u@/. I suspect there aren't people for whom it works because both words have /O/? But there will be some for whom it doesn't work because Uranus has /u@/ or /U@/, while "your" has /O/ (although most people are probably aware of the older pronunciation of the latter).


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