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In other words, I'm from Brabant.Vijay wrote:Da motte gij witte!
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Why do you have that 'additional' /i/ there along with antepenultimate stress? That doesn't sound Polish.Pole, the wrote:[tanˈzaɲia]
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It's not [i.a].ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Why do you have that 'additional' /i/ there along with antepenultimate stress? That doesn't sound Polish.Pole, the wrote:[tanˈzaɲia]
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What then? A palatal glide?Pole, the wrote:It's not [i.a].ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Why do you have that 'additional' /i/ there along with antepenultimate stress? That doesn't sound Polish.Pole, the wrote:[tanˈzaɲia]
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More or less.
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/kə'meə/ [kʰə̥'meː]
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/kmE:/.ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Khmer
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Khmer [ˈkʰmɛɹ̠ˁ]
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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[kʰmae̯] to people who know wtf that is, [kʰmɹ̩] to people who don't know anything about the phonology of that language, and [kʰæmˈboʊɾijən] to most people because they have no idea wtf "Khmer" is
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Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]
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I might actually even say [kʰəmˈboʊɾijən] or [kʰm̩ˈboʊɾijən]. I'm struggling to remember right now where we palatalize /d/ before /i/.
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[kʰmɛː~kʰmɜː]ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪ wrote:Khmer
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The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/, with non-affricated /d/ and syllabic /i/, as in "India", "Indian" (the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays). I would guess that there was less of a tendency towards coalescence and coarticulation in part because "di" doesn't occur in commonly used suffixes to the same extent as "ti" and "si" (there are all the nouns ending in "tion", "sion" where it is impossible to pronounce the "i" as a separate syllable).Pole, the wrote:Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]
The spelling "ci", and to a lesser extent "si", similarly represents /si/ rather than /ʃ/ or /ʃi/ in some words for almost all speakers, like "calcium", "pronunciation", "c(a)esium". It is rare for the spelling "ti" to correspond to /si/, but there are a few words where this can be heard (such as "negotiate/negotiation").
Although unstressed "ti" before a vowel letter and after any letter other than "s" is usually is pronounced with a fricative because of the historical assibilation in continental Latin pronunciation traditions and Romance languages, in the circumstances where a more restored pronunciation is used, it is typically /ti/ rather than /tʃ(i)/ (e.g. "consortium" is commonly pronounced with either /ʃ(i)əm/ or /tiəm/ (in American English, [ɾiəm]), but not with /tʃəm/ or /tʃiəm/). Since assibilation of Latin "ti" did not occur after "s", you do see /tʃ(i)/ in this context, e.g. "question", "combustion", "congestion". (After /n/, "ti" may sound like /tʃ/ because of the unrelated process of using plosive sounds to transition between a nasal and a fricative.)
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As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ever used by, well, racist white Americans to refer to indigenous people ("American Indians"). I thought this was just how a lot of people happen to pronounce 'Indian' (regardless of whether they were referring to American Indians or to people from India).Sumelic wrote:the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays
I do use "Injun" sometimes as a joke to refer to my own ethnicity, though.
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Ok, but isn't the «-dia» supposed to be /-dʒə/ in that particular name? (Cf. the name of the country in other languages.)Sumelic wrote:The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/ […]Pole, the wrote:Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]
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Nope.Pole, the wrote:Ok, but isn't the «-dia» supposed to be /-dʒə/ in that particular name? (Cf. the name of the country in other languages.)Sumelic wrote:The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/ […]Pole, the wrote:Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]
EDIT: Also, then it would be more like *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒən], not *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒijən].
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In SSBE, it's definitely /di@/.Pole, the wrote:Ok, but isn't the «-dia» supposed to be /-dʒə/ in that particular name? (Cf. the name of the country in other languages.)Sumelic wrote:The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/ […]Pole, the wrote:Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Oh, yeah, my comment was about the connotations of "Injun" to American English speakers when it is used to refer to "Native Americans". While it's true that the spelling is more unambiguous than the pronunciation, the pronunciation with /dʒ/ isn't part of my idiolect and I don't get the impression that anyone I have interacted with uses this pronunciation.Vijay wrote:As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ever used by, well, racist white Americans to refer to indigenous people ("American Indians"). I thought this was just how a lot of people happen to pronounce 'Indian' (regardless of whether they were referring to American Indians or to people from India).Sumelic wrote:the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays
I do use "Injun" sometimes as a joke to refer to my own ethnicity, though.
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Yes, that's what I meant.Vijay wrote:EDIT: Also, then it would be more like *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒən], not *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒijən].
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Where I live in Australia, which is where a number of Indian migrant communities live, I've never heard the pronunciation "Injun" used, even though we otherwise tend towards yod-coalescence. We tend to avoid yod-coalescence with country names and nationalities (except with our own name of course in more colloquial contexts: 'Straya, 'Straya, 'Straya!).Vijay wrote:As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ever used by, well, racist white Americans to refer to indigenous people ("American Indians"). I thought this was just how a lot of people happen to pronounce 'Indian' (regardless of whether they were referring to American Indians or to people from India).Sumelic wrote:the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays
I do use "Injun" sometimes as a joke to refer to my own ethnicity, though.
Though the experience might be different for Australian Indians themselves.
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Being a L2 English speaker, I would guess either [fɔliˈɑʒ] or [ˈfoli.ɪdʒ].linguoboy wrote:foliage
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foliage [ˈfolĭˌɪd͡ʒ] -- the is very clipped but not quite [j].
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”