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malachite: ['mæɫaxaiʔ] /malakait/
alphabet: ['æɜʟfəbɛʔ] /alfabet/ I think there's some pharyngealization going on there with the /l/, I'm not sure though. something like [æɔˤfəbɛʔ] might be more accurate.

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Theta wrote:malachite: ['mæɫaxaiʔ] /malakait/
Are you Scottish, or is English not your L1?

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Zoris wrote:
Theta wrote:malachite: ['mæɫaxaiʔ] /malakait/
Are you Scottish, or is English not your L1?
Neither, I just pronounce it that way because I don't think I've ever actually heard it and that sounded right :P
Also stops reduce to fricatives between vowels in unstressed position so it'd pretty much end up like that anyway

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With all three syllables stressed? Or can [a] appear in unstressed position for you?
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Zoris wrote:
Theta wrote:malachite: ['mæɫaxaiʔ] /malakait/
Are you Scottish, or is English not your L1?
That doesn't happen so much in Scotland – I would more associate it with Liverpool.

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How do you pronounce "obvious"?
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Nortaneous wrote:With all three syllables stressed? Or can [a] appear in unstressed position for you?
Actually it can't, I messed up my transcription because it was late when I did it. ['mæɫəxaiʔ] would be more accurate, the last one stays because it's a diphthong

obvious: [aʋ.vi.əs] /abviəs/
/b/ gets lenited to an approximant, shifted to labiodental because it's next to /v/

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[ˈɑʙvijɨs]

How do you pronounce mull / mole / mall? I have [mɔʟ] for the first two, and the third is usually [mɑʟ] but is [mɔʟ] occasionally in uncareful speech.

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obvious [ˈɔ̜̞b̪vɪjəs]
mull [mʌ̞o̯]
mole [mʌ̞o̯]
mall [mo̞ː]

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Mr. Z wrote:How do you pronounce "obvious"?
[ˈa.vːjəs]

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obvious: /ˈabviɪs/ > [ˈaːvːjɨs], slightly carefully, [ˈaːvːiːɨs], more carefully [ˈaːb̪viːɨs]
mull: /ˈmʌl/ > [ˈmʌ(ː)ɤ̯]
mole: /ˈmol/ > [ˈmo(ː)ʊ̯]
mall: /ˈmɒl/ > [ˈmɒ(ː)o̯]

Edit: Added vowel length alternation that I had forgotten.
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Zoris wrote:[ˈɑʙvijɨs]

How do you pronounce mull / mole / mall? I have [mɔʟ] for the first two, and the third is usually [mɑʟ] but is [mɔʟ] occasionally in uncareful speech.
[mɫ̩] ~ [mʌɫ̞] ~ [mʌʟ̞]
[moːɫ̞] ~ [moːʟ̞]
[mɑɫ̞] ~ [mɑʟ̞]

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malachite: [ˈmæʟəʧaɪt] or [ˈmæʟəkaɪt], but only because I've never seen the word before.
alphabet: [ˈæʟfəbɛt]
obvious: [ˈɑbvi:əs] or [ˈɑbvjəs] depending on how careful I am.
mull: [mɔʟ] (I think)
mole: [mɔʟ]
mall: [mɑʟ]
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Malachite: [ˈmæləkʌjt]
Alphabet: [ˈæʟfəbɛt]
Obvious [ˈɑˑ(b̪̊)vjɨs]
Mull: [mɑɫ] or [mʌɫ]
Mole: [moʊ̯ɫ]
Mall: [mɑːɫ]

Edit: @Lyhoko Leaci: What's your dialect? All your l's seem to be replaced with ʟ's.
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Zumir wrote:Edit: @Lyhoko Leaci: What's your dialect? All your l's seem to be replaced with ʟ's.
General Americanish? It's just the syllable final ones that become [ʟ] though. And apparently ones that follow [æ] as well.

malachite: [ˈmɑləʧaɪt] or [ˈmɑləkaɪt] also sounds reasonable, but make it seem like it should be spelled molachite or something. [ˈmæləʧaɪt] or [ˈmæləkaɪt] sound weird though.
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Zumir wrote:Edit: @Lyhoko Leaci: What's your dialect? All your l's seem to be replaced with ʟ's.
It really is not that weird in North American English dialects to have coda /l/ to lose coronal articulation altogether, or for that matter, to lose lateralness. Some dialects (like mine) actually lose coronal in all positions, and outside of careful speech lose lateralness just about everywhere (except, for me, when geminate)...
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mull: [mɞːʟ] This isn't an especially centralized vowel but it still wouldn't be accurate to gloss it as /ɔ/.
mole: [mɔːʟ]
mall: [mɑːʟ]

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Before vowels, my /l/ has coronal articulation (usually alveolar, but I've noticed it can be dental). After vowels, it has a dorsal articulation (I think velar or uvular with pharyngealization). Between vowels, it has both. I find it simple to represent the first as [l], the second as [ʟ], and the third as [ɫ]. Only the [ʟ] variation is ever syllabic: as in mule [mjʟ̩]

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Mr. Z wrote:How do you pronounce "obvious"?
[ˈɑːbvjˑɪs]
Zoris wrote:How do you pronounce mull / mole / mall? I have [mɔʟ] for the first two, and the third is usually [mɑʟ] but is [mɔʟ] occasionally in uncareful speech.
[mʌɫ] [moɫ] [mɔɫ]

although I always thought 'mull' had /ʊ/ for some reason
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Mr. Z wrote:How do you pronounce "obvious"?
[ˈɑbbʲʌs]
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[ˈɔviɘs]
[mʌɫ]
[moːɫ]
[mɔːɫ]

usual caveats about possible l-vocalisation apply though.

Still reckon that the pronunciation with in 'obvious' is some kind of spelling pronunciation.

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obvious: /ˈɒbviəs/ in normal pace speech, talking fast [ˈɒʋvjəs]

mull: /mʌl/ (really, I've got /l/ here, I've said this word like 20 times before deciding)
mole: /mo:ɫ/ in fast speech or /məʊɫ/ in careful speech
mall: /mɔ:ɫ/ or /mɑ:ɫ/
mule: /mju:ɫ/

<malachite> would be something like /ˈmælətʃaɪt/ for me.

I'll be always the closest to pronunciation given in dictionaries as English is my second language. :wink:

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Aiďos wrote:
finlay wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:Wow, I was thinking of contributing to this thread, but judging by the transcriptions here I can't go into anywhere near the expected level of detail... I guess I'll record my voice when I get the chance and just let anyone who's interested "analyse" it...
Hey, don't be put off. Just give a phonemic one if you're not up for the obsessive level of detail that the rest of us are going into. :P
Seconded. And don't worry. My extremely detailed transcriptions usually take thirty seconds to compose if you know how (the problem is searching for the necessary Unicode codepoints).
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finlay wrote:Still reckon that the pronunciation with in 'obvious' is some kind of spelling pronunciation.

eh?
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Here are some words that I am wondering about the pronunciations you guys have of, with my pronunciations provided:

hydrogen: /ˈhəe̯dʒərdʒɪn/ > [ˈhəe̯d̥ʑ̥ʁ̩ˤːd̥ʒ̊ɨ̃(ː)n]
nitrogen: /ˈnəe̯tʃərdʒɪn/ > [ˈnə̆ĕ̯d̥ʑ̥ʁ̩ˤːd̥ʒ̊ɨ̃(ː)n]
direct: /dəˈrɜkt/ > [d̻̥ʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔk̚t]*

* I should note that I do not infrequently hear what sounds like /dʒ/ intead of /d/ from others, such as from my mother and my ex, despite largely lacking it myself, even though it may actually be affrication of the laminal /d/ rather than a change in phoneme.
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