The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[Znex]

['kʰæɚ̯mʊ]

You're from Australia and... you're rhotic?

Not really; phonologically it's still /kærəməl/ (in AuE). It's just that I tend to collapse vowel clusters with intervocalic /r/ into a rhotacised diphthong. (In fact me pronouncing each syllable separately feels a bit stilted to me.)

So most words containing a coda /r/ in American English change as expected for non-rhotic English.

(Note I've transcribed the diphthongs below with the rhotacisation on the first vowel rather than on the last. That perhaps is less common than with American rhotacisation.)

eg. arrow /'ærow/ => [æ˞ə̯]
hour /æuər/ => [aə̯]
error /'ɛrər/ => [ɛ̝˞ə̯]
era /'ɛrə/ => [ɛ̝˞ə̯] or less commonly /'irə/ => [ɪ˞ə̯]
ear /ir/ => [ɪə̯]
tomorrow /tu'mɔrou̯/ => [tʰə'mɔ˞ə̯]
borrow /'bɔrou̯/ => [bɔ˞ə̯]
bore /bɔr/ => [bo:]
car dealer /'kɑrdilər/ => ['kʰɐːdɪi̯ɫɐ]
Mary /'meɪri/ => [me˞i̯~mɛ̝˞i̯]
merry /'mɛri/ => [mɛ̝˞i̯]
marry /'mæri/ => [mæ˞i̯]
Murray /'mʌri/ => [mɐ˞i̯]

[Imralu]

['kʰæɚ̯mʊ]

You're from Australia and... you're rhotic?

Not really; phonologically it's still /kærəməl/ (in AuE). It's just that I tend to collapse vowel clusters with intervocalic /r/ into a rhoticised diphthong. (In fact me pronouncing each syllable separately feels a bit stilted to me.)

Wow, quite different from me. I do tend to devoice schwas in some situations, but I think an "r" blocks this. Also, I don't reduce final "o" like you do.

I'll give my pronunciations for these so you can see how different they are ...

arrow /'ærow/ => [æɚ̯]

[ˈæɹɐʉ̯]

hour /æuər/ => [aə̯]

[ˈæːwɐ]

error /'ɛrər/ => [ɛ̝ɚ̯]

[ˈɛ̝ɹɐ]

era /'ɛrə/ => [ɛ̝ɚ̯] or less commonly /'irə/ => [ɪɚ̯]

[ˈɪːɹɐ] ~ [ˈɪə̯ɹɐ]

ear /ir/ => [ɪə̯]

[ɪː] ~ [ɪə̯] ~ [ˈɪɐ̯]

tomorrow /tu'mɔrou̯/ => [tʰə'mɔɚ̯]

[tʰə̥ˈmɔɹɐʉ̯]

borrow /'bɔrou̯/ => [bɔɚ̯]

[ˈbɔɹɐʉ̯]

bore /bɔr/ => [bo:]

[bo:] #twinsies

car dealer /'kɑrdilər/ => ['kʰɐːdɪi̯ɫɐ]

['kʰaːdɪi̯ɫɐ] #twinsies ... the first "a" can vary a bit though [a ~ ä ~ ɐ]

Mary /'meɪri/ => [me˞i̯~mɛ̝˞i̯]

[ˈmɛ̝ːɹi]

merry /'mɛri/ => [mɛ̝˞i̯]

[ˈmɛ̝ɹi]

marry /'mæri/ => [mæ˞i̯]

[ˈmæɹi]

Murray /'mʌri/ => [mɐ˞i̯]

[ˈmaɹi] (with variation [a ~ ä ~ ɐ])

[linguoboy]

Just heard a colleague pronounce serial almost exactly like surreal.

[Travis B.]

Where I work, we have a project named "Rio", and it is often hard for me to tell whether people are saying "Rio" or "real" except by context, and I have had people think I was saying "real" when I've said "Rio". Damn l-vocalization.

[Fooge]

A kid I went to high school with was from California, however he spoke nonrhotically due to a speech impediment. People would always ask him where he was from.

[ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪]

Formicinae
vertebrate
vertebrae

[finlay]

-10°

[Ryusenshi]

[mwæ̃ ˈd̪i d̪ø ˌɢʁe]

What?

[KathTheDragon]

Formicinae
vertebrate
vertebrae

/fɔˈmɪsɪˌnɐɪ/
/ˈvɜːtəbrət/
/ˈvɜːtəbrɛɪ/

-10°

"minus ten degrees"

[ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪]

-10°

[ˌmʲiʊ̯̃z ˈd͡ʑeɕin̪t̪͡s̪ ˈs̪t̪ʌ(p̚)ɲ̊i]
Oh my God, I forgot how much I love making transcriptions like that one!

[Sumelic]

Formicinae
vertebrate
vertebrae

/ˌforməˈsaɪni/ [fo̞˞ːmɪˈsaɪːni] (To clarify, this word isn't in my current vocabulary: this is how I think I would say it. I'm putting stress on the penult based on my understanding of the Latin etymology after Googling it, but antepenult stress would also be possible, in which case I would say /ˌforˈmɪsəni/ [fo̞˞ːˈmɪsɪni]).
/ˈvr̩təbrət/ [ˈvɚɾəbɹʷət]
/ˈvr̩təbri/ [ˈvɚtəbɹʷi]

-10°

/ˈnɛgətɪv tɛn dəˈgriz/ [ˈnɛːgəɾɪːv̊ tʰɛ̃n dəˈgɹʷiːz̊]

[ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪]

infamous
machine
Also, is there a pronunciation of afraid as /əˈfrɛd/? I was taught that at school but I found it nowhere else in the world.

[Frislander]

infamous [ˈɪnfəˌms̩]
machine [mə̆ˈʃiːn]

Also, is there a pronunciation of afraid as /əˈfrɛd/? I was taught that at school but I found it nowhere else in the world.

Not anywhere I'm familiar with, with the possible exception of parts of Scotland.

[Imralu]

Rio [ɹʷɪi̯.ʲɐʉ̯]
real [ɹʷɪi̯.ʲəu̯]

Formicinae [ˈfoːməsənæɪ̯]
vertebrate [ˈvɘ̹ːɾəbɹət̚]
vertebrae [ˈvɘ̹ːɾəbɹæɪ̯]

-10° [ʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭˈmɑe̯nəs ˈtʰɛ̝n dəˈgɹɪi̯zʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭʭ]

infamous [ˈɪnfəməs]
machine [mə̥ˈʃʷɪi̯n]

More: show

Using ʷ to represent the labialisation of ʃ and ɹ seems really weird to me because the shape of the lips for /ʃ/ and labialised /r/ is totally different /wider, lips projected forwards and curving out in a large squarish shape) than for /w/ (lips not curving out, much narrower more circular opening) ... like, I know that ʷ only means "liabialised", not "like a w" but when I look at it, I read it out with a [w] sound. I don't usually indicate labialisation, but I realised the /r/ in "vertebrate" is not labialised and in "real" it is.

[Zaarin]

infamous [ˈɪnfəməs~ˈɪnfəmɐs~ˈɪnfəmɪs] (I'm not 100% certain of the quality of that final vowel.)
machine [məˈʃiːn]

infamous [ˈɪnfəˌms̩]

...You have a syllabic /s/? O_O

[Travis B.]

Formicinae: [ˌfɔːʁˈmɘsɘ̃ːˌne(ː)] (This word is not part of my vocabulary, I should note, so this is just a guess as to its pronunciation.)
vertebrate: [ˈvʁ̩ɾəːˌbʁeʔ]
vertebrae: [ˈvʁ̩ɾəːˌbʁe(ː)]
-10°: [ˈmãːẽ̯ɘs ˈtʰɜ̃ːn tɘːˈgʁiːs]
infamous: [ˈɘ̃fə̃ːˌmɘs]
machine: [mɘˈʃĩ(ː)(n)]

[Imralu]

Tanzania
Rwanda
Burundi
Uganda

(Please with phonemic and phonetic representations!)

[Travis B.]

Tanzania
Rwanda
Burundi
Uganda

(Please with phonemic and phonetic representations!)

/tænˈzeɪniːə/ [tʰɛ̃ːnˈzẽːniːə(ː)]
/ˈrwɑːndə/ [ˈʁʷwɑ̃ːndə(ː)]
/ˈbɜrʌndiː/ [ˈbʁ̩ːˈʁʌ̃ːndi(ː)]
/juːˈgændə/ [juːˈgɛ̃ːndə(ː)]

[Sumelic]

Tanzania
Rwanda
Burundi
Uganda

(Please with phonemic and phonetic representations!)

I don't really talk about any of these places much, so these pronunciations aren't very fixed, just current impressions.

[ˌtʰeə̯̃ːnzə̟ˈniːɐ] /tænzəˈniɐ/ (there were posts about this earlier on the board here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44071&hilit=Tanzania&start=325)
[ɹʷ(ə)ˈwɑ̃ːndɐ] /ˈrwɑndɐ/
[bɚˈɹʷũ̟ːndi] /bɚˈrundi/ I natively merge "furry", "hurry" and "jury", so the phonemic identity of the unstressed vowel in the initial syllable might vary.
[ju̟ːˈgɑ̃ːndɐ] /juˈgɑndɐ/

[Zaarin]

Tanzania /ˈtænzəˌniə/ [ˈtʰænzəˌniə]
Rwanda /ɹəˈwɑndə/ [ɹ̠ˁʷuˈ(w)ɑndə~ɹ̠ˁʷʊˈ(w)ɑndə]
Burundi /bəˈɹundi/ [bəˈɹ̠ˁʷundi]
Uganda /juˈgɑndə/ [juˈgɑndə]

[Znex]

Tanzania
Rwanda
Burundi
Uganda

(Please with phonemic and phonetic representations!)

/tænzə'ni:ə/ [tʰɛ̃.zn̩.'nɪiə̯]
/rə'wondə/ [ɻʷʏ.'wɔ̃.dɐ]
/bu'rundi/ [bʊ.'ɻʷʊ̃.di]
/ju:'gændə/ [jʉ.'gɛ̃:.dɐ]

[jal]

Tanzania
Rwanda
Burundi
Uganda

Dutch:
/tɑn.za.ˈni.a/ [tɑn.zə.ˈni.ja]
/ru.ˈʋɑn.da/ [ru.ˈɑn.da]
/bu.ˈrun.di/ [bu.ˈrun.di]
/u.ˈxɑn.da/ [u.ˈxɑn.da]

Boring! :)


JAL

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

Tanzania
Rwanda
Burundi
Uganda

Dutch:
/tɑn.za.ˈni.a/ [tɑn.zə.ˈni.ja]
/ru.ˈʋɑn.da/ [ru.ˈɑn.da]
/bu.ˈrun.di/ [bu.ˈrun.di]
/u.ˈxɑn.da/ [u.ˈxɑn.da]

Boring!


JAL

At least I've got /ʀβ̞/ in Rwanda...

[Pole, the]

My Polish:
[tanˈzaɲia]
[ˈrvanda]
[buˈrundi]
[uˈganda]

[jal]

At least I've got /ʀβ̞/ in Rwanda...

Your from the South? :)


JAL