The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[Vijay]

At least I've got /ʀβ̞/ in Rwanda...

Your from the South?


JAL

Da motte gij witte!

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

At least I've got /ʀβ̞/ in Rwanda...

Your from the South?


JAL

Da motte gij witte!

In other words, I'm from Brabant.

[ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪]

[tanˈzaɲia]

Why do you have that 'additional' /i/ there along with antepenultimate stress? That doesn't sound Polish.
[t̪a̠n̪ˈz̪æ̃j̃æ]

[ˈrvanda]

[r̩ʷˈwa̠n̪d̪a̠]

[Pole, the]

[tanˈzaɲia]

Why do you have that 'additional' /i/ there along with antepenultimate stress? That doesn't sound Polish.

It's not [i.a].

[ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪]

[tanˈzaɲia]

Why do you have that 'additional' /i/ there along with antepenultimate stress? That doesn't sound Polish.

It's not [i.a].

What then? A palatal glide?

[Pole, the]

More or less.

[ˈd̪ʲɛ.gɔ kɾuˑl̪]

Khmer

[Znex]

/kə'meə/ [kʰə̥'meː]

[Salmoneus]

Khmer

/kmE:/.

[Zaarin]

Khmer [ˈkʰmɛɹ̠ˁ]

[Vijay]

[kʰmae̯] to people who know wtf that is, [kʰmɹ̩] to people who don't know anything about the phonology of that language, and [kʰæmˈboʊɾijən] to most people because they have no idea wtf "Khmer" is

[Pole, the]

[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]

Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.

[Vijay]

I might actually even say [kʰəmˈboʊɾijən] or [kʰm̩ˈboʊɾijən]. I'm struggling to remember right now where we palatalize /d/ before /i/.

[Frislander]

Khmer

[kʰmɛː~kʰmɜː]

[Sumelic]

[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]

Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.

The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/, with non-affricated /d/ and syllabic /i/, as in "India", "Indian" (the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays). I would guess that there was less of a tendency towards coalescence and coarticulation in part because "di" doesn't occur in commonly used suffixes to the same extent as "ti" and "si" (there are all the nouns ending in "tion", "sion" where it is impossible to pronounce the "i" as a separate syllable).

The spelling "ci", and to a lesser extent "si", similarly represents /si/ rather than /ʃ/ or /ʃi/ in some words for almost all speakers, like "calcium", "pronunciation", "c(a)esium". It is rare for the spelling "ti" to correspond to /si/, but there are a few words where this can be heard (such as "negotiate/negotiation").

Although unstressed "ti" before a vowel letter and after any letter other than "s" is usually is pronounced with a fricative because of the historical assibilation in continental Latin pronunciation traditions and Romance languages, in the circumstances where a more restored pronunciation is used, it is typically /ti/ rather than /tʃ(i)/ (e.g. "consortium" is commonly pronounced with either /ʃ(i)əm/ or /tiəm/ (in American English, [ɾiəm]), but not with /tʃəm/ or /tʃiəm/). Since assibilation of Latin "ti" did not occur after "s", you do see /tʃ(i)/ in this context, e.g. "question", "combustion", "congestion". (After /n/, "ti" may sound like /tʃ/ because of the unrelated process of using plosive sounds to transition between a nasal and a fricative.)

[Vijay]

the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays

As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ever used by, well, racist white Americans to refer to indigenous people ("American Indians"). I thought this was just how a lot of people happen to pronounce 'Indian' (regardless of whether they were referring to American Indians or to people from India).

I do use "Injun" sometimes as a joke to refer to my own ethnicity, though.

[Pole, the]

[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]

Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.

The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/ […]

Ok, but isn't the «-dia» supposed to be /-dʒə/ in that particular name? (Cf. the name of the country in other languages.)

[Vijay]

[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]

Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.

The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/ […]

Ok, but isn't the «-dia» supposed to be /-dʒə/ in that particular name? (Cf. the name of the country in other languages.)

Nope.

EDIT: Also, then it would be more like *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒən], not *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒijən].

[Salmoneus]

[kʰæmˈboʊɾijən]

Weird. I would expect [dʒ] and not [ɾ] there.

The letter "d" is not usually palatalized to /dʒ/ before the letter "i". It only is standard in a few words, like "soldier" /ˈsoʊldʒər/. In most words, "di" before a vowel letter is pronounced /di/ […]

Ok, but isn't the «-dia» supposed to be /-dʒə/ in that particular name? (Cf. the name of the country in other languages.)

In SSBE, it's definitely /di@/.

[Sumelic]

the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays

As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ever used by, well, racist white Americans to refer to indigenous people ("American Indians"). I thought this was just how a lot of people happen to pronounce 'Indian' (regardless of whether they were referring to American Indians or to people from India).

I do use "Injun" sometimes as a joke to refer to my own ethnicity, though.

Oh, yeah, my comment was about the connotations of "Injun" to American English speakers when it is used to refer to "Native Americans". While it's true that the spelling is more unambiguous than the pronunciation, the pronunciation with /dʒ/ isn't part of my idiolect and I don't get the impression that anyone I have interacted with uses this pronunciation.

[Pole, the]

EDIT: Also, then it would be more like *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒən], not *[kʰæmˈboʊd͡ʒijən].

Yes, that's what I meant.

[Znex]

the pronunciation "Injun" exists, but is widely considered offensive nowadays

As an Indian myself (with parents from India), I've never heard this. I thought that pronunciation was normal and that the issue was with the spelling because in writing, it was a term that was (originally at least) only ever used by, well, racist white Americans to refer to indigenous people ("American Indians"). I thought this was just how a lot of people happen to pronounce 'Indian' (regardless of whether they were referring to American Indians or to people from India).

I do use "Injun" sometimes as a joke to refer to my own ethnicity, though.

Where I live in Australia, which is where a number of Indian migrant communities live, I've never heard the pronunciation "Injun" used, even though we otherwise tend towards yod-coalescence. We tend to avoid yod-coalescence with country names and nationalities (except with our own name of course in more colloquial contexts: 'Straya, 'Straya, 'Straya!).

Though the experience might be different for Australian Indians themselves.

[linguoboy]

foliage

[Pole, the]

foliage

Being a L2 English speaker, I would guess either [fɔliˈɑʒ] or [ˈfoli.ɪdʒ].

[Zaarin]

foliage [ˈfolĭˌɪd͡ʒ] -- the is very clipped but not quite [j].