The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I think:
factory [ˈfaktʃɹɪ]
factorial [fakˈtʰoəɹiəɫ]
century [ˈsɛntʃəɹɪ]
centurion [sɛnˈt̺ʃʊːɹiən] (the affricate is apical, suggesting /tj/; in all other examples it's laminal)
victory [ˈvɪktʃɹɪ]
victorious [vɪkˈtʰoəɹiəs]
restaurant [ˈɹɛʃtʃəɹɒnt]
restauranteur [ɹɛʃtʃəɹɒnˈtʰœː] (I think: I don't say this word very often)
history [ˈhɪʃtʃɹɪ]
historical [hɪˈstɒɹɪkɫ] (note second vowel)
mystery [ˈmɪʃtʃɹɪ]
mysterious [mɪˈstɪːɹiəs]
interest [ˈɪntʃɹɛst]
interesting [ˈɪntʃɹɛstɪŋg]
interestingly [ˈɪntʃɹɛstɪŋglɪ]
- All /n/s before postalveolars assimilate their POA, but I can't be bothered to transcribe that.
- [tʃ] before [ɹ] is somewhat less palatalised than elsewhere.
- words ending in [ɪ] change it to if followed by a word beginning with a vowel
factory [ˈfaktʃɹɪ]
factorial [fakˈtʰoəɹiəɫ]
century [ˈsɛntʃəɹɪ]
centurion [sɛnˈt̺ʃʊːɹiən] (the affricate is apical, suggesting /tj/; in all other examples it's laminal)
victory [ˈvɪktʃɹɪ]
victorious [vɪkˈtʰoəɹiəs]
restaurant [ˈɹɛʃtʃəɹɒnt]
restauranteur [ɹɛʃtʃəɹɒnˈtʰœː] (I think: I don't say this word very often)
history [ˈhɪʃtʃɹɪ]
historical [hɪˈstɒɹɪkɫ] (note second vowel)
mystery [ˈmɪʃtʃɹɪ]
mysterious [mɪˈstɪːɹiəs]
interest [ˈɪntʃɹɛst]
interesting [ˈɪntʃɹɛstɪŋg]
interestingly [ˈɪntʃɹɛstɪŋglɪ]
- All /n/s before postalveolars assimilate their POA, but I can't be bothered to transcribe that.
- [tʃ] before [ɹ] is somewhat less palatalised than elsewhere.
- words ending in [ɪ] change it to if followed by a word beginning with a vowel
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
factory [fæk̚tɹ̩ʷˤi]
factorial [fæk̚tɔɹʷˤiəʟ]
century [sɪntʃɹ̩ʷˤi]
centurion [sɪntʃʉɹʷˤiɨn]
victory [vɨk̚tɹ̩ʷˤi]
victorious [vɨk̚tɔɹʷˤiɨs]
restaurant [ɹʷˤɛstʃɹ̩ʷˤanʔ]
restauranteur [ɹʷˤɛstʃɹ̩ʷˤantɵɜ˞ˤ]
history [hɨstɹʷˤi]
historical [hɨstɔɹʷˤɨkʟ̩]
mystery [mɨstɹʷˤi]
mysterious mɨstiɹʷˤiɨs
interest [ɨntɹʷˤɛsʔ]
interesting [ɨntɹʷˤɛstiŋ]
interestingly [ɨntɹʷˤɛstiŋʟi]
house [hæɵs]
factorial [fæk̚tɔɹʷˤiəʟ]
century [sɪntʃɹ̩ʷˤi]
centurion [sɪntʃʉɹʷˤiɨn]
victory [vɨk̚tɹ̩ʷˤi]
victorious [vɨk̚tɔɹʷˤiɨs]
restaurant [ɹʷˤɛstʃɹ̩ʷˤanʔ]
restauranteur [ɹʷˤɛstʃɹ̩ʷˤantɵɜ˞ˤ]
history [hɨstɹʷˤi]
historical [hɨstɔɹʷˤɨkʟ̩]
mystery [mɨstɹʷˤi]
mysterious mɨstiɹʷˤiɨs
interest [ɨntɹʷˤɛsʔ]
interesting [ɨntɹʷˤɛstiŋ]
interestingly [ɨntɹʷˤɛstiŋʟi]
house [hæɵs]
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
mirror [ˈmɪɹə]
nearer [ˈniəɹə]
irrespective [ˌɪɹəˈspɛ̝k̚t̪ɪv]
irresponsible [ˌɪɹəˈspɔ̞̜nsɪˌbo̜]
irrational [ɪˈɹæʃnˌ̩o̜]
irrevocable [ˌɪɹəˈvɞ̜̟ʉ̯kəˌbo̜]
irradiate [ɪˈɹɛ̞e̯ɾɪˌjɛ̞e̯ʔ]
factory [ˈfæk̚tɹɪj]
factorial [fæk̚ˈt̪ʰoːɹɪˌjo̜]
century [ˈsentʃ(ə)ɹi]
centurion [s(e)nˈ̩tʃʉɹɪˌjn̩]
victory [ˈvɪk̚tɹi]
victorious [vɪk̚ˈt̪ʰoːɹɪˌjəs]
restaurant [ˈrɛ̝stɹɔ̜̞nʔ]
restauranteur [ˌrɛ̝stɹɔ̜̞nˈtɘ˞ː]
history [ˈhɪstɹɪj]
historical [his̪ˈt̪ʰɔ̜̞ɹ(ə)ko̜]
mystery [ˈmɪstɹɪj]
mysterious [ms̪ˈt̪iəɹjəs]
interest [ˈi̞ntʃɹɛ̝s̪t̪]
interesting [ˈi̞ntʃɹs̪t̪iŋ]
interestingly [ˈi̞ntʃɹs̪t̪iŋlɪj]
house n: [hɛɔ̯s] v: [hɛɔ̯z]
EDIT: Forgot aspiration.
nearer [ˈniəɹə]
irrespective [ˌɪɹəˈspɛ̝k̚t̪ɪv]
irresponsible [ˌɪɹəˈspɔ̞̜nsɪˌbo̜]
irrational [ɪˈɹæʃnˌ̩o̜]
irrevocable [ˌɪɹəˈvɞ̜̟ʉ̯kəˌbo̜]
irradiate [ɪˈɹɛ̞e̯ɾɪˌjɛ̞e̯ʔ]
factory [ˈfæk̚tɹɪj]
factorial [fæk̚ˈt̪ʰoːɹɪˌjo̜]
century [ˈsentʃ(ə)ɹi]
centurion [s(e)nˈ̩tʃʉɹɪˌjn̩]
victory [ˈvɪk̚tɹi]
victorious [vɪk̚ˈt̪ʰoːɹɪˌjəs]
restaurant [ˈrɛ̝stɹɔ̜̞nʔ]
restauranteur [ˌrɛ̝stɹɔ̜̞nˈtɘ˞ː]
history [ˈhɪstɹɪj]
historical [his̪ˈt̪ʰɔ̜̞ɹ(ə)ko̜]
mystery [ˈmɪstɹɪj]
mysterious [ms̪ˈt̪iəɹjəs]
interest [ˈi̞ntʃɹɛ̝s̪t̪]
interesting [ˈi̞ntʃɹs̪t̪iŋ]
interestingly [ˈi̞ntʃɹs̪t̪iŋlɪj]
house n: [hɛɔ̯s] v: [hɛɔ̯z]
EDIT: Forgot aspiration.
Last edited by äreo on Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:33 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Ascima mresa óscsma sáca psta numar cemea.
Cemea tae neasc ctá ms co ísbas Ascima.
Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Hah, I just thought of a couple /ɪrɪ/- words that clearly contrast with my /ɪrrɪ/- words before, clearly showing that all those words before had /ɪrr/- and not just /ɪr/- in my dialect:
iridescent: [ɪːʁˤɨːˈdɜsɨ̃ʔ]
irritate: [ɪːʁˤɨˈtʰeʔ] (yes, this is a case of orthographic irr- marking /ɪr/- rather than /ɪrr/-)
iridescent: [ɪːʁˤɨːˈdɜsɨ̃ʔ]
irritate: [ɪːʁˤɨˈtʰeʔ] (yes, this is a case of orthographic irr- marking /ɪr/- rather than /ɪrr/-)
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
It doesn't, I just used it so it's not confused with [p_h], since the later is just represented as /p/ in broad transcription.Zumir wrote:How is b̥ different from p?
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
[ˈkʰoːɹˤdˌneːʔ]äreo wrote:How about co-ordinate and laboratory?
I generally have [kʰɞˈwoɚdnəʔ] and [ˈlæbɹət(ə)ɹi]. I remember loving to say [ləˈboːɹətɔɹi] as a kid tho.
[ˈɫɛə̯βɚˤˌtʰɔːɹˤi]
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Well, I am familiar with it indicating some level of actual phonetic difference, with [b̥] (and like) being "weaker" than [p] (and like). For instance the that kind of contrast, without any aspiration, is explicitly used when describing, say, Alemannic varieties.TaylorS wrote:It doesn't, I just used it so it's not confused with [p_h], since the later is just represented as /p/ in broad transcription.Zumir wrote:How is b̥ different from p?
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I have [kʰɔːɹˤʔ] and [ˈkʰɔːɹˤ(ɾ)ɚˤ]Travis B. wrote:I love narrow phonetic transcriptions myself; conversely, I tend to get rather annoyed with people who insist on phonemic transcriptions and/or only boringly broad phonetic transcriptions that seem like they are trying to be mere ciphers of phonemic ones.Theta wrote:coordinate (verb): [kʷɵɔɹʷˤdn̩eʔ]
coordinate (noun): [kʷɵɔɹʷˤdn̩ɨʔ]
laboratory: [ɫæbɹ̩ʷˤtʷɔɹʷˤi]
^These might be a little heavy on the diacritics but the labial spreading is probably somewhat phonologically relevant.
year: [jɪɜ˞ˤ]
Certainly there is in my dialect (natively):Theta wrote:there's a [w] in quart and quarter?Travis B. wrote:The pronunciations with [w] are my native ones, but at some point I picked up [w]-less pronunciations for the noun as well, and now freely vary between the two sets for it; this likely seems to be a more general phonological change that I picked up (but not extended to all words, e.g. the verb here), as I also started inconsistently dropping the [w] in quart and quarter as well.
quart: [ˈkʰwɔʁˤʔ]
quarter: [ˈkʰwɔʁˤ(ɾ̥)ʁ̩ˤ(ː)]
While I started sporadically dropping the [w]s in those, those droppings are not exactly native per se.
I love this sort of thing as well. Hopefully no one will kill the fun by acting like an angry chimpanzee about transcription practices.Theta wrote:EDIT: also I love this thread
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
mirror [mɪrˤ]Ran wrote:for those of you who rhyme "mirror" and "nearer," how do you pronounce the first vowel of:
irrespective
irresponsible
and
irrational
irrevocable
edit: irradiate
?
near [nɪɹˤ]
irrespective [ˌɪɹˤːˈspɛʔktɨ̈v̥]
irresponsible [ˌɪɹˤːˈspãsɨ̈βɫ̩]
irrational [ɚˈɹˤɛə̯ʃnɫ̩]
irrevocable [ˌɪɹˤːˈvoˈɡəβɫ̩]
irradiate [ɚˈɹˤeːˌdjeːʔ]
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
^ 'mirror' only has one syllable for you?
can't concentrate enough to get extreme detail, especially with that damn rhotic. too many goddamn bugs out here.
[kooɹɖɳ̩ɛɪ̯ʔ] or [ku.oɹɖɳ̩ɛɪ̯ʔ]
[ɫæbɹətoɹɪi̯]
[koɹʈ̚]
[koɻˠɽɰˤʷ] (okay, this time I'll go into more detail with the rhotic, since it's actually relevant here)
all irr- are [iɹɹ̝], and 'irritate' is /ir/, not /irr/
all words in Travis's list have [tɚ] except the ones related to 'century' and 'interest', which have the affrication
can't concentrate enough to get extreme detail, especially with that damn rhotic. too many goddamn bugs out here.
[kooɹɖɳ̩ɛɪ̯ʔ] or [ku.oɹɖɳ̩ɛɪ̯ʔ]
[ɫæbɹətoɹɪi̯]
[koɹʈ̚]
[koɻˠɽɰˤʷ] (okay, this time I'll go into more detail with the rhotic, since it's actually relevant here)
all irr- are [iɹɹ̝], and 'irritate' is /ir/, not /irr/
all words in Travis's list have [tɚ] except the ones related to 'century' and 'interest', which have the affrication
I've heard it in Maryland.Travis B. wrote:I have heard of people out by the West Coast who do that, actually, but I had never heard of that being found in Chicago before.Theta wrote:I hadn't known about that intrusive L thing until a couple days ago when I was listening to this video with this guy from Chicago in it and he was saying both like [bɔʟθ]. I wonder if it's common in that area for that kind of thing to happen.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
In my dialect it certainly has only one syllable, at least.Nortaneous wrote:^ 'mirror' only has one syllable for you?
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
factory [ˈfɛə̯ʔkʧɹˤi]Travis B. wrote:Okay, here's some more that interest me personally:
factory
factorial
century
centurion
victory
victorious
restaurant
restauranteur
history
historical
mystery
mysterious
interest
interesting
interestingly
(I will give my own transcriptions later, but I want to see what some of you guys have here, unhinted as to what features I am interested in.)
factorial [fɛʔkˈtʰɔːɹˤjɫ̩]
century [ˈsɛnʧɹˤi]
centurion [sn̩ˈʧʰɝˤjn̩]
victory [ˈvɪʔkʧɹˤi]
victorious [vɨ̈ʔkˈtʰɔːɹˤjəs]
restaurant [ˈɹˤɛʃˌʧãʔ]
restauranteur [ˌɹˤɛʃˌʧãˈtʰɝˤ]
history [ˈhɪʃʧɹˤi]
historical [ˈʰstɔːɹˤˌkʰɫ̩]
mystery [ˈmɪʃʧɹˤi]
mysterious [mɨ̈sˈtʲiːɹˤˌjəs]
interest [ˈɪnʧɹˤɨ̈sː]
interesting [ˈɪnʧɹˤɨ̈sːn̩]
interestingly [ˈɪnʧɹˤɨ̈ˌsːɪnɫi]
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I have /ǝr/ for <nearer> and /mirər/ for <mirror>. What do those for whom they don't rhyme have?
I've been wondering about <Basque> for a while; I have /bæsk/, with the <e> silent on analogy with <mosque>, but after discovering that <velar> has /i/ where I'd been saying /ɛ/, I'm rather unsure of myself. Also, after listening to the podcast, I was wondering about:
<conlang> (I have /'kon.leŋ/)
and <conlangery> (I have /kon.'leŋ.ǝr.i/, or, if feeling silly, /kon.lã.ʒɛr.'e/)
EDIT: Ah, sorry, I seem to have accidentally deleted part of my transcription of <nearer>, which should be /nirǝr/.
I've been wondering about <Basque> for a while; I have /bæsk/, with the <e> silent on analogy with <mosque>, but after discovering that <velar> has /i/ where I'd been saying /ɛ/, I'm rather unsure of myself. Also, after listening to the podcast, I was wondering about:
<conlang> (I have /'kon.leŋ/)
and <conlangery> (I have /kon.'leŋ.ǝr.i/, or, if feeling silly, /kon.lã.ʒɛr.'e/)
EDIT: Ah, sorry, I seem to have accidentally deleted part of my transcription of <nearer>, which should be /nirǝr/.
Last edited by Jetboy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I wonder if anyone else has a Just-Just split, that is, Just as in Justice is [dZVst] but Just as in Only is [dZ1st]
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I´ve heard it, but don´t have it myself.Zoris wrote:I wonder if anyone else has a Just-Just split, that is, Just as in Justice is [dZVst] but Just as in Only is [dZ1st]
conlangery [kʰɔ̜̞nlæe̯ŋ(ə)ɹɪj]
Ascima mresa óscsma sáca psta numar cemea.
Cemea tae neasc ctá ms co ísbas Ascima.
Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho. Carho.
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
I pronounce them differently, but for me the adjective is STRUT and the adverb is FOOT. So unless you're one of those people with [1] for FOOT, your split is a bit different from mine.Zoris wrote:I wonder if anyone else has a Just-Just split, that is, Just as in Justice is [dZVst] but Just as in Only is [dZ1st]
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How do you pronounce "plosive"?
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
[stAp]Mr. Z wrote:How do you pronounce "plosive"?
weird, I know.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Okay, here are my versions of these:
factory: [ˈfɛʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
factorial: [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɯ̞(ː)] or, carefully, [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɯ̞(ː)]
century: [ˈsɜ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤi(ː)] or, carefully, [ˈsɜ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
centurion: [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤjɨ̃(ː)n] or, carefully, [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤĩːɨ̃(ː)n]
victory: [ˈvɪʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
victorious: [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɨs]
restaurant: [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãʔ]
restauranteur: [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯̆ŭʁˤ]~[ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯uʁˤ]
history: [ˈhɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
historical: [hɨˈs̻t̻ɔːʁˤɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
mystery: [ˈmɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
mysterious: [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤiːɨs]
interest: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻] or, very carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻]
interesting: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, a bit carefully, [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, more carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ]
interestingly: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, a bit carefully, [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, more carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)]
Not all of these actually demonstrated what I was looking for, which was cases of affrication in (unstressed) /tər/ without being reduced to /tr/, because some of these actually involved /tj/ historically in all dialects (e.g. century), and likewise, not all of these involved actual stress shifts, but I did not go back to change them.
What is also apparent is that most of you have much more reduction than I do here, in that most of the places I have /tʃər/ are places where the rest of you have just /tr/ or /tʃr/.
factory: [ˈfɛʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
factorial: [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɯ̞(ː)] or, carefully, [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɯ̞(ː)]
century: [ˈsɜ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤi(ː)] or, carefully, [ˈsɜ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
centurion: [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤjɨ̃(ː)n] or, carefully, [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤĩːɨ̃(ː)n]
victory: [ˈvɪʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
victorious: [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɨs]
restaurant: [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãʔ]
restauranteur: [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯̆ŭʁˤ]~[ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯uʁˤ]
history: [ˈhɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
historical: [hɨˈs̻t̻ɔːʁˤɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
mystery: [ˈmɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
mysterious: [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤiːɨs]
interest: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻] or, very carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻]
interesting: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, a bit carefully, [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, more carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ]
interestingly: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, a bit carefully, [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, more carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)]
Not all of these actually demonstrated what I was looking for, which was cases of affrication in (unstressed) /tər/ without being reduced to /tr/, because some of these actually involved /tj/ historically in all dialects (e.g. century), and likewise, not all of these involved actual stress shifts, but I did not go back to change them.
What is also apparent is that most of you have much more reduction than I do here, in that most of the places I have /tʃər/ are places where the rest of you have just /tr/ or /tʃr/.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
co-ordinate /ko.ɔrdɪnet/ [kʰəˈwɔɹdn̩e(ɪ)ʔ] as a verb or /ko.ɔrdɪnət/ as a noun.
laboratory /ləbɔrətri/ [ləˈbɔɻətʂɻi]
mirror /mɪrər/ [ˈmɪɻɚ]~[ˈmɪɻə]
nearer /nirər/ [ˈniːɻɚ]~[ˈniːɻə]
factory /faktəri/ [ˈfak̚təɹʷi] (slight asp. on [t])
factorial /faktoriəl/ [fak̚ˈtʰoːɻʷiəɫ]~[fak̚ˈtʰoːɻʷio] (sporadic L-vocalisation imd although i'm not entirely sure of the value of the vowel so i've just marked it as [o] - also the [a] can be [ə])
century /sɛntʃuri/ [ˈsɛntʃʉ̽ɹʷi]
centurion /səntʃuriən/ [sn̩ˈtʃʉːɻi.n̩]
victory /vɪktəri/ [ˈvɪk̚təɹʷi]
victorious /vɪktoriəs/ [vɪk̚ˈtoːɻiəs]
restaurant /rɛstərɔnt/ [ˈɻɛstəɹɔ(ː)nt]
restauranteur [ʁɛstoʁaˈtø:ʁ]~[ɻɛstəɻaˈtʰɚː] (I don't really use this word, so if I see it I tend to mentally give it a French pronunciation. Also, if you want to be posh, it has no n. I've used that pronunciation here.)
history /hɪstəri/ [ˈhɪstəɹʷi]
historical /hɪstɔrɪkəl/ [hɪsˈtɔɻɪkɫ̩]~[hɪsˈtɔɻɪko]
mystery /mɪstəri/ [ˈmɪstəɹʷi]
mysterious /mɪstiriəs/ [mɪ̽sˈtiːɻʷiəs]
interest /ɪntrɛst/ [ˈɪntʃɹʷɛst]
interesting /ɪntrɛstɪŋ/ [ˈɪntʃɹʷəstɪŋ]~[ˈɪntʃɹʷɛstɪŋ]
interestingly /ɪntrɛstɪŋli/ [ˈɪntʃɹʷəstɪŋɫi]~[ˈɪntʃɹʷɛstɪŋɫi]
I'm not too sure about these Rs to be honest, but this seems to be roughly accurate for the moment. I seem to have some kind of fine-tuned difference between ones after a stressed vowel and ones in an unstressed environment, which I've marked [ɻ] and [ɹʷ] respectively. Some of the [ɻ]s are also labialised but I've not been very consistent about marking this..
I also definitely affricatise /tr/ and have marked that in the transcription with [tʂɻ] or [tʃɹʷ].
But yeah, grain of salt with these perhaps, since they're pronounced unrealistically.
house: /haus/ [hɜʊ̟s] as a noun, /hauz/ [hæːuz] as a verb.
carver: /karvər/ [ˈkɑːɻvɚ]
quart: /kwɔrt/ [kʰʷwɔ̞ːɻt] (or with [ʔ] at the end)
quarter: /kwɔrtər/ [kʰʷwɔ̞ːɻtɚ]
irrespective: /ɪrəspɛktɪv/ [ɪɻəsˈpɛk̚tɪ̽v]
irresponsible /ɪrəspɔnsɪbəl/ [ɪɻəsˈpɔnsəbɫ̩]
irrational /ɪraʃənəl/ [ɪˈɻaʃn̩ɫ̩]~[əˈɻaʃn̩ɫ̩]
irrevocable /ɪrɪvɔkəbəl/ [ɪɻɪˈvɔkəbɫ̩]
irradiate /ɪrediet/ [ɪˈɻeːdieʔ]~[əˈɻeːdieʔ]
again, in several of these L-vocalisation is also possible, and ɪɻə~ɪɻɪ appear to be interchangeable to some extent...
laboratory /ləbɔrətri/ [ləˈbɔɻətʂɻi]
mirror /mɪrər/ [ˈmɪɻɚ]~[ˈmɪɻə]
nearer /nirər/ [ˈniːɻɚ]~[ˈniːɻə]
factory /faktəri/ [ˈfak̚təɹʷi] (slight asp. on [t])
factorial /faktoriəl/ [fak̚ˈtʰoːɻʷiəɫ]~[fak̚ˈtʰoːɻʷio] (sporadic L-vocalisation imd although i'm not entirely sure of the value of the vowel so i've just marked it as [o] - also the [a] can be [ə])
century /sɛntʃuri/ [ˈsɛntʃʉ̽ɹʷi]
centurion /səntʃuriən/ [sn̩ˈtʃʉːɻi.n̩]
victory /vɪktəri/ [ˈvɪk̚təɹʷi]
victorious /vɪktoriəs/ [vɪk̚ˈtoːɻiəs]
restaurant /rɛstərɔnt/ [ˈɻɛstəɹɔ(ː)nt]
restauranteur [ʁɛstoʁaˈtø:ʁ]~[ɻɛstəɻaˈtʰɚː] (I don't really use this word, so if I see it I tend to mentally give it a French pronunciation. Also, if you want to be posh, it has no n. I've used that pronunciation here.)
history /hɪstəri/ [ˈhɪstəɹʷi]
historical /hɪstɔrɪkəl/ [hɪsˈtɔɻɪkɫ̩]~[hɪsˈtɔɻɪko]
mystery /mɪstəri/ [ˈmɪstəɹʷi]
mysterious /mɪstiriəs/ [mɪ̽sˈtiːɻʷiəs]
interest /ɪntrɛst/ [ˈɪntʃɹʷɛst]
interesting /ɪntrɛstɪŋ/ [ˈɪntʃɹʷəstɪŋ]~[ˈɪntʃɹʷɛstɪŋ]
interestingly /ɪntrɛstɪŋli/ [ˈɪntʃɹʷəstɪŋɫi]~[ˈɪntʃɹʷɛstɪŋɫi]
I'm not too sure about these Rs to be honest, but this seems to be roughly accurate for the moment. I seem to have some kind of fine-tuned difference between ones after a stressed vowel and ones in an unstressed environment, which I've marked [ɻ] and [ɹʷ] respectively. Some of the [ɻ]s are also labialised but I've not been very consistent about marking this..
I also definitely affricatise /tr/ and have marked that in the transcription with [tʂɻ] or [tʃɹʷ].
But yeah, grain of salt with these perhaps, since they're pronounced unrealistically.
house: /haus/ [hɜʊ̟s] as a noun, /hauz/ [hæːuz] as a verb.
carver: /karvər/ [ˈkɑːɻvɚ]
quart: /kwɔrt/ [kʰʷwɔ̞ːɻt] (or with [ʔ] at the end)
quarter: /kwɔrtər/ [kʰʷwɔ̞ːɻtɚ]
irrespective: /ɪrəspɛktɪv/ [ɪɻəsˈpɛk̚tɪ̽v]
irresponsible /ɪrəspɔnsɪbəl/ [ɪɻəsˈpɔnsəbɫ̩]
irrational /ɪraʃənəl/ [ɪˈɻaʃn̩ɫ̩]~[əˈɻaʃn̩ɫ̩]
irrevocable /ɪrɪvɔkəbəl/ [ɪɻɪˈvɔkəbɫ̩]
irradiate /ɪrediet/ [ɪˈɻeːdieʔ]~[əˈɻeːdieʔ]
again, in several of these L-vocalisation is also possible, and ɪɻə~ɪɻɪ appear to be interchangeable to some extent...
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Would it be possible to put some kind of phonemic transcription as well? It's just that your transcriptions are kinda dense and it'd be nice to see what your sort of mental pronunciations are, and have a decent way of seeing how your dialect actually transforms things.Travis B. wrote:Okay, here are my versions of these:
factory: [ˈfɛʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
factorial: [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɯ̞(ː)] or, carefully, [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɯ̞(ː)]
century: [ˈsɜ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤi(ː)] or, carefully, [ˈsɜ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
centurion: [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤjɨ̃(ː)n] or, carefully, [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤĩːɨ̃(ː)n]
victory: [ˈvɪʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
victorious: [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɨs]
restaurant: [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãʔ]
restauranteur: [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯̆ŭʁˤ]~[ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯uʁˤ]
history: [ˈhɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
historical: [hɨˈs̻t̻ɔːʁˤɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
mystery: [ˈmɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
mysterious: [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤiːɨs]
interest: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻] or, very carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻]
interesting: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, a bit carefully, [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, more carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ]
interestingly: [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, a bit carefully, [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, more carefully, [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)]
Not all of these actually demonstrated what I was looking for, which was cases of affrication in (unstressed) /tər/ without being reduced to /tr/, because some of these actually involved /tj/ historically in all dialects (e.g. century), and likewise, not all of these involved actual stress shifts, but I did not go back to change them.
What is also apparent is that most of you have much more reduction than I do here, in that most of the places I have /tʃər/ are places where the rest of you have just /tr/ or /tʃr/.
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Is there a superscript esh with curl anywhere in Unicode?
The Conlanger Formerly Known As Aiďos
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
When I say [1] or I really mean the same thing; the actual vowel for me is in between the two, probably a centralized , and unrounded. So yeah, that's my FOOT, and it's unrounded.AnTeallach wrote:I pronounce them differently, but for me the adjective is STRUT and the adverb is FOOT. So unless you're one of those people with [1] for FOOT, your split is a bit different from mine.Zoris wrote:I wonder if anyone else has a Just-Just split, that is, Just as in Justice is [dZVst] but Just as in Only is [dZ1st]
Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Is there a superscript esh with curl anywhere in Universe?Aiďos wrote:Is there a superscript esh with curl anywhere in Unicode?
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Re: The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
Okay, here are my pronunciations again, but with synchronic phonemes being added. (Note that this is using a relatively simple analysis that lacks phonemic vowel length or nasalization being marked, even though both appear to be phonemic in edge cases.)
factory: /ˈfɛktʃəri/ > [ˈfɛʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
factorial: /fɛkˈtɔriəl/ > [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɯ̞(ː)] or, carefully, [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɯ̞(ː)]
century: /ˈsɜntʃri/ > [ˈsɜ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤi(ː)] or, carefully, /ˈsɜntʃəri/ > [ˈsɜ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
centurion: /sɜnˈtʃəriɪn/ > [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤjɨ̃(ː)n] or, carefully, [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤĩːɨ̃(ː)n]
victory: /ˈvɪktʃəri/ > [ˈvɪʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
victorious: /vɪkˈtɔriɪs/ > [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɨs]
restaurant: /ˈrɜstʃərant/ > [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãʔ]
restauranteur: /ˈrɜstʃəranˌtur/ > [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯̆ŭʁˤ]~[ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯uʁˤ]
history: /ˈhɪstʃəri/ > [ˈhɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
historical: /hɪˈstɔrɪkəl/ > [hɨˈs̻t̻ɔːʁˤɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
mystery: /ˈmɪstʃəri/ > [ˈmɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
mysterious: /mɪˈstɪriɪs/ > [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤiːɨs]
interest: /ˈɪnˌtʃrɜst/ > [ˈɪ̃ˌtʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻] or, very carefully, /ˈɪntʃəˌrɜst/ > [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻]
interesting: /ˈɪntʃrɪstɪŋ/ > [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, a bit carefully, /ˈɪnˌtʃrɜstɪŋ/ > [ˈɪ̃ˌtʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, more carefully, /ˈɪntʃəˌrɜstɪŋ/ > [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ]
interestingly: /ˈɪntʃrɪstɪŋli/ > [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, a bit carefully, /ˈɪnˌtʃrɜstɪŋli/ > [ˈɪ̃ˌtʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, more carefully, /ˈɪntʃəˌrɜstɪŋli/ > [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)]
There are some cases above that seem a bit weird, such as when I write /stʃ/ rather than /ʃtʃ/ even though, in my own everyday speech the latter would probably be a better description than the former. However, I write the former because in more careful speech pronunciations with [s̻] rather than [ɕ] initially may show up, and even I when trying to pronounce it very carefully seem to at least front the pronunciation of it more than if it were /ʃ/ initially.
Also, when I write /tʃr/ above I mean it, and not /tr/. Many idiolects in my dialect medially contrast /tr/ with /tʃr/ as [tʂɹ͡ʁˤ] versus [tʃɹ̠͡ʁˤ] (and likewise contrast /dr/ with /dʒr/ as [d̥ʐ̊ɹ͡ʁˤ] versus [d̥ʒ̊ɹ̠͡ʁˤ]), even though mine does not. However, in these cases here it is clear that these are indeed /tʃr/ and not /tr/ despite my pronouncing the two identically.
factory: /ˈfɛktʃəri/ > [ˈfɛʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
factorial: /fɛkˈtɔriəl/ > [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɯ̞(ː)] or, carefully, [fɛʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɯ̞(ː)]
century: /ˈsɜntʃri/ > [ˈsɜ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤi(ː)] or, carefully, /ˈsɜntʃəri/ > [ˈsɜ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
centurion: /sɜnˈtʃəriɪn/ > [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤjɨ̃(ː)n] or, carefully, [sɜ̃ˈtɕʰʁ̩ˤːʁˤĩːɨ̃(ː)n]
victory: /ˈvɪktʃəri/ > [ˈvɪʔk̚tɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
victorious: /vɪkˈtɔriɪs/ > [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [vɨʔk̚ˈtʰɔːʁˤiːɨs]
restaurant: /ˈrɜstʃərant/ > [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãʔ]
restauranteur: /ˈrɜstʃəranˌtur/ > [ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯̆ŭʁˤ]~[ˈɰˤɜɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤãˌt̻ʰʉ̯uʁˤ]
history: /ˈhɪstʃəri/ > [ˈhɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
historical: /hɪˈstɔrɪkəl/ > [hɨˈs̻t̻ɔːʁˤɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
mystery: /ˈmɪstʃəri/ > [ˈmɪɕtɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)]
mysterious: /mɪˈstɪriɪs/ > [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤjɨs] or, carefully, [mɨˈs̻t̻ɪːʁˤiːɨs]
interest: /ˈɪnˌtʃrɜst/ > [ˈɪ̃ˌtʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻] or, very carefully, /ˈɪntʃəˌrɜst/ > [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻]
interesting: /ˈɪntʃrɪstɪŋ/ > [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, a bit carefully, /ˈɪnˌtʃrɜstɪŋ/ > [ˈɪ̃ˌtʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ] or, more carefully, /ˈɪntʃəˌrɜstɪŋ/ > [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃(ː)ŋ]
interestingly: /ˈɪntʃrɪstɪŋli/ > [ˈɪ̃tʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɨs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, a bit carefully, /ˈɪnˌtʃrɜstɪŋli/ > [ˈɪ̃ˌtʃɹ̠͡ɰˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)] or, more carefully, /ˈɪntʃəˌrɜstɪŋli/ > [ˈɪ̃tɕʁ̩ˤːˌʁˤɜs̻t̻ɨ̃ːŋɰi(ː)]
There are some cases above that seem a bit weird, such as when I write /stʃ/ rather than /ʃtʃ/ even though, in my own everyday speech the latter would probably be a better description than the former. However, I write the former because in more careful speech pronunciations with [s̻] rather than [ɕ] initially may show up, and even I when trying to pronounce it very carefully seem to at least front the pronunciation of it more than if it were /ʃ/ initially.
Also, when I write /tʃr/ above I mean it, and not /tr/. Many idiolects in my dialect medially contrast /tr/ with /tʃr/ as [tʂɹ͡ʁˤ] versus [tʃɹ̠͡ʁˤ] (and likewise contrast /dr/ with /dʒr/ as [d̥ʐ̊ɹ͡ʁˤ] versus [d̥ʒ̊ɹ̠͡ʁˤ]), even though mine does not. However, in these cases here it is clear that these are indeed /tʃr/ and not /tr/ despite my pronouncing the two identically.
Last edited by Travis B. on Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.