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Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?

Imralu wrote:Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?

I don't think I've heard that yet, but it would definitely make me cringe.

Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.

Zaarin wrote:Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.

Yep. It's probably closer to [ɜ̃.n̩.nə̃ɘ̯̃].

I typically say "I dunno" as something like [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ɾʌ.nʌ].

If I elide it further, I get [ˈʌ(ɪ̯).ʌ̃.ʌ].

When speaking very informally, I pronounce I don't know as something like [ˌaːˈnɤ(ː)].

So... "antiquary"?

Something like [ˈæntɪˌkwɛɹ̠ˁi] for me. The /t/ isn't aspirated, and my /r/ is the American "bunched r." Took me a minute to figure out where the stress is.

I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).

linguoboy wrote:I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).

Same here; I preserve /nt/ as [nt] or realize it as [t], eliding the /n/, in antiquary rather than pronouncing it as [ɾ̃] or eliding it outright as I normally would in this posiiton.

['æːn.tʰɪ̈.̩kʰwɛ.ɹ̠ʷˠɪi̯]

And because I wasn't sure where the stress went, here's the other example:
[æn.'tʰɪk.wə.ʋɹ̠ʷˠɪɨ̯]

Interesting how the last syllable changes.

Zaarin wrote:Something like [ˈæntɪˌkwɛɹ̠ˁi] for me. The /t/ isn't aspirated, and my /r/ is the American "bunched r." Took me a minute to figure out where the stress is.

That's what I wasn't sure of. Since I don't remember ever hearing it, I didn't know whether to stress the first or second syllable.

linguoboy wrote:I just realised that, though I normally glottalise/delete posttonic /t/ following a homoorganic nasal in allegro speech, I don't here (presumably because antiquary is a learned word that I hardly ever have need of).

After /n/ I usually glottalis /t/s, except when it comes before a vowel, then it appears.

artifacts

arty facts

artifacts: /ˈʌrtəfækts/ [ˈʌʁ(ɾ)ɘfɛʔksʲ]
arty facts: /ˌʌrtiˈfækts/ [ˌʌʁ(ɾ)iˈfɛʔksʲ]

Imralu wrote:Lately, I keep hearing "irony" being pronounced by USians as /ˈaɪɚni/, as if it's somehow derived from "iron". Is this stigmatised at all or regarded as normal?

I don't think that's derivation from "iron"; I think it's just that /rə/ and /ər/ aren't distinguished very well (if at all) in that position.

Zaarin wrote:Anyone have a tendency to--in very informal settings--to slur "I don't know" into something like [a.ə̃̀ː.ʔʌ̃ʔ]? If ennui particularly sets in, the initial [a] can be dropped.

A nasalized schwa with a particular pitch pattern.

ol bofosh wrote:artifacts

arty facts

/artɨfækts/ [ˈɔɚ̯ɽɨˌfæk(t)s]
/artɨ fækts/ [ˈɔɚ̯ɽij ˈfæk(t)s]

oyster

oyster: /ˈɔɪstər/ [ˈɔɪsʲtʲʁ̩(ː)]~[ˈɔɪsʲːʁ̩(ː)]

[ɔɪ̯stɹ̩]

[ɔːstɹ̩]
[s] might be a velarized

catalpa

(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)

[kɐˈtɑɫpa] - in Dutch, that is :)


JAL

I don't have that as a native word in my dialect, but I would probably pronounce it as:

catalpa: /kəˈtɔlpə/ [kʰɘˈtʰɒo̯pə(ː)]

ˈɔɪ̯.stɜ

kʰə.ˈtʰæɫ.pʰɜ (would be my guess)

/kʰə.tæl.pə/

Travis B. wrote:I don't have that as a native word in my dialect

Me neither. The OED lists only /kəˈtælpə/, and that seems to align in terms of vowel quality with words like alpine, scalpel, palpitate.

So I'd go with /kəˈtælpɐ/ [kʰəˈtʰa̟ɫpʰɐ]

linguoboy wrote:catalpa

(For those who don't know, it's the name of a native North American tree, which we called "cigar trees" growing up.)

I have always heard it stressed on the 2nd syllable.

/kəˈtælpə/
[ˈktʰæɰpə]

FWIW, the l is intrusive. (The etymon is catawba.) It's lacking in my dialect, i.e. /kəˈtɔpə/.