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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:41 pm 
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I have always pronounced it /ˈspɑroʊ/; there is no point for me in pronouncing it /ɛsˈbɑroʊ/ since /sp/ and /sb/ (and even /zb/!) are homophonous for me (as [sʲp]) including across syllable and morpheme boundaries.

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 3:38 pm 
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How do you pronounce "thank"? I pronounce it [θeɪŋk] but I've heard [ðeɪŋk] and I'm wondering how common this is.


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:57 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 9:31 pm 
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I vary between [θẽŋk], [t̪ẽŋk], [θẽʔk], [t̪ẽʔk], [θɛ̃ŋk], [t̪ɛ̃ŋk], [θɛ̃ʔk], and [t̪ɛ̃ʔk] for thank, corresponding to /θeɪŋk/ and /θæŋk/.

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Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:20 pm 
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I vary between [θɛɪ̯ŋk] in careful speech and [θɛŋk] in more casual speech, the latter being homophonous with a quick pronunciation of think as well ([θɪŋk] in more careful speech).

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:27 pm 
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I just say [θɛjŋk].


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 6:25 pm 
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I say the voiced variant. It's been a source of controversy. Where are you from?


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 6:51 pm 
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I say [θẽːŋk]. Never heard about a [ð] variation.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:35 am 
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[θæŋk] ... but when I was very young [sæŋk] or [fæŋk]

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 7:32 am 
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Atlantic and czar

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 5:49 pm 
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Atlantic [æʔˈɫæntɪk] (the first [æ] may be realized as [æ~ɛ~ɪ] in quick speech)
czar [ˈzɑɹ̱ˁ]

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 5:55 pm 
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[æt'læntʰɪkʰ] the [t] may allophone with [ʔ], and the [tʰ] may just disappear completely (when it does the kʰ loses its aspiration).
[tsʰaːɹ]


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 6:08 pm 
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Atlantic: [ɘɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk]~[ɘɾˈɰɛ̃(ɾ̃)ɘʔk], in careful speech [ɛɾˈʟ̞ɛ̃ntʰɘʔk]
czar: [zɑ(ː)ʁ], in careful speech [tsʰɑ(ː)ʁ]

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Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:08 am 
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:12 pm 
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how about:
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:28 pm 
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salty: [ˈsɒo̯ti(ː)]
suit: [sʲʉ̯uʔ]

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Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 am 
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Atlantic /ɨtlæntik/ [ɨʔt̚ˈɫẽə̯̃ɾ̃ɨʔk]
czar /zar/ [zɒɚ̯]
salty /sɔltɨj/ [ˈsɔˤɫtʰɪj]
suit /suwt/ [sʏʉ̯ʔt̚]
thank /θæŋk/ [θæ̃j̃ŋk]

nb: one of /eə̯ æj/ must be phonemic, since e.g. "Bernanke" has [eə̯] rather than [æj]. cf. /ˈpejŋˌgwin/ with FACE but /ˈgeŋgɨs/ with DRESS

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:21 am 
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salty [ˈsɑɫti~ˈsɑɫʔi]
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:43 pm 
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absence of coronal contact in the realization of /l/ is generally considered a speech impediment, but some people even have straight-up [ʁ] for it

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:27 pm 
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To me though I can pronounce a clear [l] perfectly fine; e.g. when speaking German. Likewise I have no problem with Japanese [ɺ]. However, clear [l] feels overly careful, formal, or foreign to me in English, i.e. it is not part of my English dialect even though I can pronounce it without a problem, and I would tend to assume that someone who uses it to pronounce English is a foreigner. The only issue is that I find it hard to pronounce [ɫ], to combine both coronal and velar articulation together.

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