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A propósito, I presume there is such a thing as a typical anglo-estadounidense accent? What would be the general Latin American expectation as to what a nortíssimeamericanense (canadiense) accent sounds like? Or would such a thing be so rare and unexpected that no one would expect anything?

(I decided to adopt the castellaño accent to try and distinguish myself from the typical "American speaking Spanish who maybe learned in it high school".)

Shm Jay wrote:A propósito, I presume there is such a thing as a typical anglo-estadounidense accent? What would be the general Latin American expectation as to what a nortíssimeamericanense (canadiense) accent sounds like? Or would such a thing be so rare and unexpected that no one would expect anything?

(I decided to adopt the castellaño accent to try and distinguish myself from the typical "American speaking Spanish who maybe learned in it high school".)

Like how do gringos sound like when they speak spanish?lemme record my impression

Weird realization of vowels [I mean gringos can't seem to get monopthongs right], pronouncing all the eses, and that weird r thing you guys have.

Also, I don't think its possible to learn the correct use of the subjunctive, not even natives get it right.

xD That's hilarious. *feels proud that of being able to pronounce monophthongs*

[eɪ̯] and [oʊ̯] are the worst things in the world

[eɪ̯] and [oʊ̯] are the worst things in the world

a dozen times yes

Astraios thinks he's* wrote:able to pronounce monophthongs*

PROVE IT =P

Torco wrote:Like how do gringos sound like when they speak spanish?

¡Aiiiii! ¡No soy gringo! Vivo en la tierra de los gringos, pero no soy gringo yo mismo.

okay, here's your honorary non-gringo badge

Awesome recording.

Vaimose ay ablair ayspanyole!

EDIT:
I accidentally started playing the recording backwards. Even better. No difference.

Torco wrote:PROVE IT =P

I speak French, I can pronounce more monophthongs than should be humanly possible. Wait until tomorrow and I'll put a recording.

Shm Jay wrote:¡Aiiiii! ¡No soy gringo! Vivo en la tierra de los gringos, pero no soy gringo yo mismo.

Of course you're a gringo, silly boy. Gringo is not the same as yanqui.

Torco wrote:

Shm Jay wrote:A propósito, I presume there is such a thing as a typical anglo-estadounidense accent? What would be the general Latin American expectation as to what a nortíssimeamericanense (canadiense) accent sounds like? Or would such a thing be so rare and unexpected that no one would expect anything?

(I decided to adopt the castellaño accent to try and distinguish myself from the typical "American speaking Spanish who maybe learned in it high school".)

Like how do gringos sound like when they speak spanish?lemme record my impression

Weird realization of vowels [I mean gringos can't seem to get monopthongs right], pronouncing all the eses, and that weird r thing you guys have.

Also, I don't think its possible to learn the correct use of the subjunctive, not even natives get it right.

The monopthongs are as hard to eliminate as your tendency to pronounce as . And the [r] is as hard to pronounce as [D] for you.

Overall though, your gringo mock accent wasn't half bad. I'd be happy though if I heard that kind of accent in class, generally speaking it's 10 times worse. Some of the worst offenses are things like using English [aI] in words which are cognates like idea, using English [tSr] in words with tr like eletricidad and not dropping final [d], and retaining .

Yo también soy un gringo que puede pronunciar monophthongs .... que está grabando un ejemplo hilarante exacta del acento gringo típico para el español, aunque ......

@Viktor: ouch!

que está grabando un ejemplo hilarante exacta del acento gringo típico para el español, aunque ......

wut?
recording a hilariously exact example of gringo accent in spanish, if I parse it correctly?

Gringo is not the same as yanqui.

Exactly, for some people even Germans and Swedes are gringos.

Shm Jay wrote:A propósito, I presume there is such a thing as a typical anglo-estadounidense accent? What would be the general Latin American expectation as to what a nortíssimeamericanense (canadiense) accent sounds like? Or would such a thing be so rare and unexpected that no one would expect anything?

(I decided to adopt the castellaño accent to try and distinguish myself from the typical "American speaking Spanish who maybe learned in it high school".)

Given that most English speakers can't reliably tell between a US and Canadian accent, how do you expect Spanish speakers to?

Anyway, I'm not going to sit here and claim that I can speak Spanish, but I can certainly pronounce monophthongs.

finlay wrote:Given that most English speakers can't reliably tell between a US and Canadian accent

What are you talking aboat? L2s?

Bob Johnson wrote:

finlay wrote:Given that most English speakers can't reliably tell between a US and Canadian accent

What are you talking aboat? L2s?

No, he isn't.

Bob Johnson wrote:

finlay wrote:Given that most English speakers can't reliably tell between a US and Canadian accent

What are you talking aboat? L2s?

No, more the fact that Canadian English has about two reliable indicators, aboat and sorey, and also "eh?", but I haven't heard enough Canadian English to judge that one. I can tell the difference, just about, but most people I know couldn't to save their lives. I may be overlooking the fact that to Americans the difference might be more pronounced. It's certainly a subtle difference, more so than any distinction made between different accents in the British Isles or different parts of the US. And I don't think it's one that'll make much difference to one's accent in Spanish.

Shm Jay wrote:A propósito, I presume there is such a thing as a typical anglo-estadounidense accent? What would be the general Latin American expectation as to what a nortíssimeamericanense (canadiense) accent sounds like? Or would such a thing be so rare and unexpected that no one would expect anything?

(I decided to adopt the castellaño accent to try and distinguish myself from the typical "American speaking Spanish who maybe learned in it high school".)

I can't say what would be expected, but if you're talking about a stereotypical Canadian English speaker, you're probably going to get:
* /a/ as a low front vowel instead of a low back or central vowel
* /e/ and /o/ with less/no diphthongization
...
That's about it. Other than that, general Canadian doesn't differ much from GA. You'd expect the same problems with pronouncing /b d g/ as approximants, <y> and <ll> would still be [j], and <j> would still be /h/. Unstressed vowels would still be reduced. There would be the same tendency to incorrectly voice <z> and (to a lesser extent) <s> and pronounce final <s> fully.

Some of these features are, coincidentally, shared by inland Mexican Spanish, so they're not technically wrong. (Others, like voicing <z> and <s>, are just dumb.)

Hm... yeah, probably harder for you guys who aren't living right next to them.

Bob Johnson wrote:Hm... yeah, probably harder for you guys who aren't living right next to them.

says the man in new york to the man in oklahoma

Gringos can't pronounce monopthongs, its not in their blood

Torco wrote:Gringos can't pronounce monopthongs, its not in their blood

Spaniards can't pronounce English diphthongs so ha! Let's here you say "Ego."

Torco wrote:

Gringo is not the same as yanqui.

Exactly, for some people even Germans and Swedes are gringos.

Well, a classmate of mine was la gringa in Nicaragua when she travelled there. Except us gringos don't diphthongize our basic vowels either, although there are 3 diphthongs, but they're seperate.

My dialect of English doesn't usually diphthongize /e/ and /o/, but they have weird half-centralized realizations so they'd still sound funny if I was speaking a foreign language with an accent

Torco wrote:Gringos can't pronounce monopthongs, its not in their blood

It's true! D: D: D: D: