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"one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:55 am
by Legion
Wiktionary claims there are dialects of British English where "one" is pronounced [wɒn]. Is this true, and if it is, what are those dialects?
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:59 am
by Astraios
All of them except posh people and Welsh people, IME.
EDIT: There's also people who pronounce <won> as /wQn/ too, but that seems to be a different thing. I have /Q/ in <one> but not in <won>, for example.
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:10 am
by AnTeallach
Legion wrote:Wiktionary claims there are dialects of British English where "one" is pronounced [wɒn]. Is this true, and if it is, what are those dialects?
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010/09/one.html
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:26 am
by finlay
Astraios wrote:All of them except posh people and Welsh people, IME.
EDIT: There's also people who pronounce <won> as /wQn/ too, but that seems to be a different thing. I have /Q/ in <one> but not in <won>, for example.
Northerners only. It doesn't happen in scotland either, and I don't tend to hear it from southerners.
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:10 pm
by linguoboy
So what happens to want in these dialects? (IMD, won, one, and want all have the same vowel, but I know Chicagoans for whom want is /wahnt/.)
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:25 pm
by Astraios
Nothing, I wouldn't have thought. It's just /wQnt/.
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:13 pm
by Travis B.
linguoboy wrote:So what happens to want in these dialects? (IMD, won, one, and want all have the same vowel, but I know Chicagoans for whom want is /wahnt/.)
Mind you, these Chicagoans probably front historical /ɑː/ (LOT, PALM) to [a], resulting in a front-back contrast of [a] versus [ɑ]. (My mother has this, and she's from Kenosha.)
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:46 pm
by finlay
linguoboy wrote:So what happens to want in these dialects? (IMD, won, one, and want all have the same vowel, but I know Chicagoans for whom want is /wahnt/.)
I have /wʌnt/ – that seems to be limited to Scotland, at least in the UK, though. Most Englandy accents have /wɒnt/ and /wʌn/ - ie a different vowel.
Re: "one" as [wQn]
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:31 pm
by Richard W
The pronunciation [wɒn] for "one" and indeed for "won" is generally assumed to be a spelling pronunciation, which would make it a (lower?) middle class phenomenon. Other examples include "wonder" (thus homophonous with "wander") and "trouble". The prefixes "con-" and "com-" show a lot of variation between the two vowels, which is not to be confused with vowel weakening to schwa.