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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:37 am 
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So English has "zhe" and "zir" as PC pronouns (*Not a Standard Feature*) for people who neither want to be called she, he, or it. Any other NatLangs doing this that encode for gender?


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Kind of boring, but Japanese makes regular use of あの人 ano hito "that person", which functions basically the same as a third person pronoun.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:19 am 
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In my dialect of Dutch, you can use "die" (that) as a pronoun to refer to a person of either gender. I don't think it's ever used in writing, not even informal writing, though, and it might be more of a reduction of 'hij' and 'zij' (male and female pronouns) with an epenthetic /d/ (I guess). It certainly wasn't created to accommodate those who fall outside of the linguistic gender binary...

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Spanish supposedly has ell@s, and in general the use of @ as a catch-all for -o and -a. I dont know how you pronounce it and I've never even seen in it in writing, but I've read in multiple different places that it exists.

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I asked this in the Questions Thread, but received no response: if any natlangs natively, as a Standard Feature, have both sexed and dedicated non-neuter epicene pronouns.


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 Post subject: Re: PC pronouns
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:27 pm 
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Swedish normally has han and hon for 'he' and 'she' respectively, but as late as this year there has been a huge debate on the gender neutral hen, which has gained quite some popularity. As far as language planning goes anyway. Of course the traditional pronouns are still massively outnumbering the new coinage (which isn't exactly newly coined, just hasn't been popular until recently), but you can find it in newspapers every now and then, and one pop magazine (Nöjesguiden) did an issue where they replaced all gendered pronouns with hen. I see people use it on Facebook and the like, and even heard my professor using it once, albeit half-jokingly.

Some people want to use it for gender-ambiguous situations and others instead of all han and hon. The protests against it have been huge of course, but I'm quite surprised it's made the impact that it has. Remains to see if it fades away or stays, but seeing as there's been such a massive media coverage on it for months, it's never again going to be an obscure word that nobody understands. That excuse for not using it is void by now.

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 Post subject: Re: PC pronouns
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I've heard conflicting views about Korean 그사람 (similar to Jap. "ano hito") - most natives I've asked seem to think it's neutral, but at least one thought it was more likely to be a man. Can anyone shed light on that?

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There's some controversy over whether or not Japanese pronouns are really pronouns and not just nouns that act funny, though, isn't there?


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 Post subject: Re: PC pronouns
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 Post subject: Re: PC pronouns
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Location: tʰæ.ɹʷˠə.ˈgɜʉ̯.nɜ kʰæ.tə.ˈlɜʉ̯.nʲɜ spɛ̝ɪ̯n ˈjʏː.ɹəʔp
"A person walked into a bar, but they ruined the joke with their PC pronouns."

Could that count?

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Yes it's called singular they.


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 Post subject: Re: PC pronouns
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:06 pm 
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Singular "they" doesn't really work with named individuals, though. So:
"Someone just walked up to me, and they they hit me with a large, purple stick."
But not:
*"Pat just walked up to me, and they hit me with a large, purple stick."


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This happens on facebook with people who have not specified their gender.

"John Smith updated their work history."


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"Pat just walked up to me, and they hit me with a large, purple stick." sounds perfectly okay to me.


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