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Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:24 pm
by txmmj
Which languages sound the best/worst to your ears?
I love the way Mongolian sounds. I really like Scottish Gaelic, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdPgrTlxnMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJaAr9COe2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6CuWD9k ... plpp_video
I don't like Spanish and southern American English is the absolute worst.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:27 pm
by Aurora Rossa
I would say Finnish, Italian, and Japanese are the most beautiful to me. I find Afrikaans the ugliest language, though, and dislike southern American English as well (though obviously it does not count as its own language).
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:08 pm
by Thry
txmmj wrote:I don't like Spanish.
For anything in particular?
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:37 pm
by Vuvuzela
I like Mandarin. It sounds deliberate, like the speaker is proud of every word. And, while this may just be stereotypes intruding on my hearing, it sounds a bit wiser than other languages.
Anything said in European Portuguese sounds extremely bland to me, but it's not like I can't stand the language.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:47 pm
by txmmj
Ean wrote:txmmj wrote:I don't like Spanish.
For anything in particular?
I just don't like the sound of the language in general, no matter the dialect. I do find Spain Spanish more appealing, but honestly, it just sounds... plain ugly to me.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:14 pm
by Thry
I wholeheartedly disagree (I'm horribly biased, though, Spain's Spanish being my L1).
But I tend to think it's at least a "clear-sounding language" (/a e i o u/ thing), spoken out loud and strong.
Have you heard some songs in the language? I couldn't imagine many people finding that
this and
that sound ugly.
Responding to the OP, I think every language can be beautiful if spoken and sung properly. I do find some traits uglier (i.e. uvulars and so Arabic), but nothing unbearable. I personally like my own (Spanish) and English (GAE); and I don't have strong feelings for others. Greek is also nice and sounds almost like Madrid's Spanish xD, at least vowel-wise.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:28 pm
by treskro
Like: Cantonese, Mongolian, Castillian Spanish, Hindi, Mohawk, Russian, Welsh
Dislike: Thai, Italian, Beijing Mandarin (biased), French, Finnish
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:00 pm
by Dewrad
We have done this so many times, so let's cut to the chase:
People think the less mainstream languages are beautiful. Mongolian often gets a look-in here. Of course, we are all aware that this is basically linguistic hipsterism, and a desire to be different, a nod-and-wink expression of solidarity to those who are also "in the know" about Chukchi's vowel harmonies. Also, for some obscure reason, Celtic languages are frequently perceived as being beautiful. This in spite of the scientifically proven fact that Irish sounds like somebody with a severe head cold chewing toffee, while Welsh simply sounds like somebody spitting.
The consensus is that French is pretty ugly. Personally, I disagree. Of course, as most of us are native speakers, we all agree that English sounds "boring" or "ugly". Somebody will make a stupid comment about "gutteral" languages, someone will refute that, and blah blah blah I just can't even anymore.
Eddy always claims that he finds the languages of his current targets of bigotry/political bugbears "ugly", hence the sudden appearence of Afrikaans. So he's easily predicted.
So, I'm assuming that we can happily close the thread now?
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:04 pm
by Pthagnar
after pointing out that you can change french rap from being ugly to beautiful by having a noted authority [^] say it is breton
yes, you can close the thread once somebody does that
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:27 pm
by GrinningManiac
I consider Russian a very soft, pleasing-on-the-ear affair. I'l often spout gibberish just to listen to my (awful) rendition of the words.
French, or the just French accents, when spoken by women make me weak at the knees. Yes, I am a cliche.
Apart from that I refer back to Dewrad. We've done this before.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:34 pm
by Thomas Winwood
Dewrad wrote:words
I hypothesise that in general few people have any aesthetic considerations about particular languages or groups of languages at all; when they do, the magnitude of said considerations is vanishingly small compared to any opinions they hold relating to politics or culture. (Tolkien was a conlanger, but most conlangers are, shockingly, not Tolkien.)
As a result, the few people with strong opinions and/or ulterior motives end up trying to engage in an argument with people who have struggled to express an opinion they hold about as strongly as the gravitational force between two electrons.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:42 pm
by Legion
Thomas Winwood wrote:Dewrad wrote:words
I hypothesise that in general few people have any aesthetic considerations about particular languages or groups of languages at all; when they do, the magnitude of said considerations is vanishingly small compared to any opinions they hold relating to politics or culture. (Tolkien was a conlanger, but most conlangers are, shockingly, not Tolkien.)
As a result, the few people with strong opinions and/or ulterior motives end up trying to engage in an argument with people who have struggled to express an opinion they hold about as strongly as the gravitational force between two electrons.
Thank you for this meaningless and vacuous post, honorable posting person, it makes a valuable and appropriate addition to this thread.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:54 pm
by Rui
Dewrad wrote:We have done this so many times, so let's cut to the chase:
People think the less mainstream languages are beautiful. Mongolian often gets a look-in here. Of course, we are all aware that this is basically linguistic hipsterism, and a desire to be different, a nod-and-wink expression of solidarity to those who are also "in the know" about Chukchi's vowel harmonies. Also, for some obscure reason, Celtic languages are frequently perceived as being beautiful. This in spite of the scientifically proven fact that Irish sounds like somebody with a severe head cold chewing toffee, while Welsh simply sounds like somebody spitting.
The consensus is that French is pretty ugly. Personally, I disagree. Of course, as most of us are native speakers, we all agree that English sounds "boring" or "ugly". Somebody will make a stupid comment about "gutteral" languages, someone will refute that, and blah blah blah I just can't even anymore.
Eddy always claims that he finds the languages of his current targets of bigotry/political bugbears "ugly", hence the sudden appearence of Afrikaans. So he's easily predicted.
So, I'm assuming that we can happily close the thread now?
And of course, most people (besides Eddy) will base their entire opinions of how a language sounds on one short snippet of the language they heard once, or at the very least based on one speaker, even if it is a major world language such as German, French, or Spanish.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:03 pm
by ----
You can't speak German without sounding angry!
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:27 pm
by Matt
Tieđđá wrote:You can't speak German without sounding angry!
Just like you can't speak Russian without sounding drunk!
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:41 am
by Gulliver
Tieđđá wrote:You can't speak German without sounding angry!
Have a German read you a children's book. Something rhythmical. It's like syrup on the soul.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:53 am
by din
German food commercials always make me want to run to the supermarket. They make things sound so delicious when they croon commercially fabricated compound nouns such as Knuspergenuß
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:55 am
by Viktor77
Finnish and Estonian. Perhaps Portuguese and Romanian.
The ugliest, I don't know.
But I don't know what the first poster found in Mongolian. I think it sort of nondescript.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:10 am
by ----
Gulliver wrote:Tieđđá wrote:You can't speak German without sounding angry!
Have a German read you a children's book. Something rhythmical. It's like syrup on the soul.
I just can't win
I CAN'T DO IT
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:41 pm
by Magb
All languages are equally ugly.
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:06 pm
by Dewrad
Dewrad wrote:Eddy always claims that he finds the languages of his current targets of bigotry/political bugbears "ugly", hence the sudden appearence of Afrikaans. So he's easily predicted.
Actually, on this note, it's always kind of puzzled me why Eddy has always liked Italian. I mean, these are the people who came up with
fascism, for gods' sakes. Sure, we don't like German because it's shouty nazi language, Afrikaans because it's apartheidspraak, but we like Italian in spite of it being the language of the original fascists and a major working language of the Roman Catholic Church? And the language in which most of that right-wing elitist artform "opera" is produced?
(Also note how Japanese has crept back onto the "beautiful" list now he thinks we've forgotten the whole "Racist Japanese won't let me make manga" thing.)
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:38 pm
by Aurora Rossa
Dewrad wrote:Actually, on this note, it's always kind of puzzled me why Eddy has always liked Italian. I mean, these are the people who came up with fascism, for gods' sakes. Sure, we don't like German because it's shouty nazi language, Afrikaans because it's apartheidspraak, but we like Italian in spite of it being the language of the original fascists and a major working language of the Roman Catholic Church? And the language in which most of that right-wing elitist artform "opera" is produced?
Perhaps that says something about the viability of your theory...
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:30 pm
by Vuvuzela
Figuring out if Eddy likes how a language sounds is really quite BASIC.
READY
10 LET G= racist rightists hellspwan from hell
20 IF uvulars OR pharyngeals OR epiglottals THEN GOTO 40
30 IF gemminates AND long vowels THEN GOTO 60 ELSE GOTO 10
40 PRINT "dislike".
50 IF speakers are G THEN GOTO 70 ELSE GOTO 40
60 PRINT "swoon"
70 PRINT "Evil, hideous language of the Colonizing Oppressors of Evil"
RUN
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:54 am
by sirred
Can we work in a joke about C++ next?
Re: Most beautiful/ugliest languages
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:07 am
by Rui
Jabechasqvi wrote:Dewrad wrote:Actually, on this note, it's always kind of puzzled me why Eddy has always liked Italian. I mean, these are the people who came up with fascism, for gods' sakes. Sure, we don't like German because it's shouty nazi language, Afrikaans because it's apartheidspraak, but we like Italian in spite of it being the language of the original fascists and a major working language of the Roman Catholic Church? And the language in which most of that right-wing elitist artform "opera" is produced?
Perhaps that says something about the viability of your theory...
Something something "the exception that proves the rule" -Eddy