Are there any languages that have both /ts/ & /tɕ/ phonemes?

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BUT DOES POLISH HAVE THEM BOTH???
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Oh, my god. I'm gonna make a joke that's so original it'll just blow your minds. Watch and learn:
I THINK THE SLAVIC AND NORTHWEST CAUCASIAN LANGUAGES HAVE BOTH OF THESE PHONEMES. I can't believe you guys missed that.

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English has /ts/ vs. /tʃ/ (cats vs. catch), and /tɕ/ is further from /ts/ than /tʃ/, so, yes, English could technically count as one.
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I think Polish might count!!!!111jedenjeden
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Herr Dunkel wrote:English has /ts/ vs. /tʃ/ (cats vs. catch), and /tɕ/ is further from /ts/ than /tʃ/, so, yes, English could technically count as one.

no it couldn't. /ts/ isn't a unit phoneme. now in polish , on tegh other hnad ,
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Well, I vaguely recall that when I studied Polish about a decade ago, there was some mentioning of /ts/, /tɕ/ and even /tʂ/! Now if that ain't weird...


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jal wrote:Well, I vaguely recall that when I studied Polish about a decade ago, there was some mentioning of /ts/, /tɕ/ and even /tʂ/! Now of that ain't weird...


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It isn't, since it's just re-symbolling Polish cz, since it and (some) other Slavic č š ž are more accurately described articulatorily as retroflexes than palato-alveolars. That isn't to say (and this fact is missed by almost everyone who sees retroflex symbols on Slavic Wikipedia phonology articles) they sound exactly like the Indic ones.
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