/t/ can be [?] in the coda position, but what about /p/?
Listen for "Johnny Depp" here: http://youtu.be/tb74HJXcAAs?t=12s
Is it really [p]? Is there such thing as a glottal stop with lip rounding?
What is English /p/ in the coda position?
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Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
"English" is too non-specific.
There are certainly people who glottalise all final stops, or even turn them all into /?/. More widespread is just turning them into unreleased stops.
There are certainly people who glottalise all final stops, or even turn them all into /?/. More widespread is just turning them into unreleased stops.
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as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
I'm sure it's some kind of a labial stop. Maybe just plain [p], just unreleased. Or [ɓ̥]?
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Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
For me it's definitely [p]. Though sometimes it sounds like it might be [pʰ].
Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
In my dialect, unvoiced stops are in the process of being converted into voiced stops between sonorants and word-finally (except /t/ after /s/, where it's being lost entirely). So for me, it varies between [ph] in careful speech to [p] or even in rapid speech.
The other day, I said "bugged" for "bucket". I can outline further changes that I've noticed, if you want (for example: /ɛ/ is merging with /æ/ or turning into [e] in certain environments).
The other day, I said "bugged" for "bucket". I can outline further changes that I've noticed, if you want (for example: /ɛ/ is merging with /æ/ or turning into [e] in certain environments).
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Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
Woody Allen occasionally has ejectives for all three unvoiced stops utterance-finally.
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Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
Okay, what about in the video I linked. It's just unreleased, I assume then?"English" is too non-specific.
There are certainly people who glottalise all final stops, or even turn them all into /?/. More widespread is just turning them into unreleased stops.
Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
It could just be plain preglottalisation of the stops, a fairly well-known phenomenon in British English. Taken to extremes, it can cause voiceless stops other than /t/ to also be replaced by a glottal stop. One extreme example given is the /p/ in Wapping being replaced by a glottal stop in some Cockney idiolects.
Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
SOunds like plain old [p] to me.
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Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
Sounds like an unreleased p to me. Nothing remarkable in the US at least, as far as I'm aware 
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Re: What is English /p/ in the coda position?
also very common in generalUlrike Meinhof wrote:Woody Allen occasionally has ejectives for all three unvoiced stops utterance-finally.
ellen's 'depp' has an unreleased labial stop.