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Thry wrote:Well, virus is already Latin and has no plural form (it means "poison"), and if it had one, it'd be vira (Greek has "iós").

Viria???? How about virionta? virion just has the Greek suffix -on "particle", as in "ion", added to a Latin root, so... "virions" is fine.

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If you really want to show how smart you are, keep in mind that Latin and Greek inflect their nouns not just for number but also for case. So, instead of saying Yesterday, I caught an octopus, you'd have to say, Yesterday, I caught an octopodem (or, since the word is ultimately Greek, ... an oktopoda). But that would be overly pedantic. When speaking English, just inflect the words as regular English words, so the plural of octopus is simply octopuses. Everything else is just sophomoric.
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WeepingElf wrote:[...] Everything else is just sophomoric.
I read that as "homophoric". :P
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WeepingElf wrote:When speaking English, just inflect the words as regular English words
Words of truth. It really is a silly thought that in order to speak one language you would need to know anything about any other language.

Anyway, when you loan inflections from some language they stop being inflections in that language and there is no reason why you should still apply the grammar of the donor language to them.

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gach wrote:
WeepingElf wrote:When speaking English, just inflect the words as regular English words
Words of truth. It really is a silly thought that in order to speak one language you would need to know anything about any other language.

Anyway, when you loan inflections from some language they stop being inflections in that language and there is no reason why you should still apply the grammar of the donor language to them.
You say that now, but when you hear Americans pronounce "faux" as /fɑks/, you will start to wonder if perhaps you've drawn the line a bit too far.

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Spelling pronunciations! Also, well, English has so many loanwords that there are guaranteed to be some that even you pronounce in a way that the speakers of the donor language would find cringeworthy. We could start with all the Graecolatinisms, for instance. Or do you seriously say <epitome> as [epitómɛː]?
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    Well them 'murricans sure don't pronounce patio as ["pa.tjo]... or burrito, or taco, or w/e as Dios intended.

    but then we go, idk, Poe ["po.e], or [de "Gwal.kiN "de.a(h)] and everybody loses their minds.

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    imperialism

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    "if English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me"

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    Thry wrote:but then we go, idk, Poe ["po.e], or [de "Gwal.kiN "de.a(h)] and everybody loses their minds.
    It's [pow] and [ðəˈwaɫkiŋ ˈdɛθ] for me. :P
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    I myself have [pow] and [de "wol.kiN de(h)]

    Why do you have [T] there? Wouldn't a Catalan interference yield [t] at most?

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    Thry wrote:I myself have [pow] and [de "wol.kiN de(h)]

    Why do you have [T] there? Wouldn't a Catalan interference yield [t] at most?
    Ah, no, I had death in mind (your [h] confused me). My dead has [d].
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    Inversion wrote:Spelling pronunciations! Also, well, English has so many loanwords that there are guaranteed to be some that even you pronounce in a way that the speakers of the donor language would find cringeworthy. We could start with all the Graecolatinisms, for instance. Or do you seriously say <epitome> as [epitómɛː]?
    No, but I do say "Julius Caesar" as [ˈjuːli.ʊs ˈkaɪ̯sɹ̩].


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    Izambri wrote:Ah, no, I had death in mind (your [h] confused me). My dead has [d].
    oh boy you gotta hear me talk, I have [h] for every coda which is not a nasal (m/N/, a liquid (4/l) or completely deleted! :-D
    ˈti.o ˈtje.neʰ ko.ˈi.me a.ˈβla ˈteŋ.go [h] pa ˈto.loʰ fi.ˈna.leʰ ke no ˈse.aŋ na.ˈsal ˈli.ki.ða o to.tal.ˈmen.te bo.ˈrao̯ʰ

    also César = ["Te.sa4]; funnily ["se.sa] in Seville.

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