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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Inversion wrote:zontas it did not have -us that's how they spelt a long [o:]. You know, compensatory lengthening from the deletion of a d.

Also this has already been said and I really don't see why you feel the need to revive a stupid months-old discussion on English plurals especially if you have nothing to add.
...but he did add something...?


Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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ObsequiousNewt wrote:
Inversion wrote:zontas it did not have -us that's how they spelt a long [o:]. You know, compensatory lengthening from the deletion of a d.

Also this has already been said and I really don't see why you feel the need to revive a stupid months-old discussion on English plurals especially if you have nothing to add.
...but he did add something...?
He added something that 1) has already been added 2) is incorrect on top of that
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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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yea, Inversion is right, not -us, (-ous at most), see:
ὀκτώπους (oktōpous) m, ὀκτώπους f, ὀκτώπουν n; third declension; (oktōpous)

(5th BC Attic): IPA: /oktɔ͜ɔ́po͜os/

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Thry wrote:yea, Inversion is right, not -us, (-ous at most), see:
ὀκτώπους (oktōpous) m, ὀκτώπους f, ὀκτώπουν n; third declension; (oktōpous)

(5th BC Attic): IPA: /oktɔ͜ɔ́po͜os/

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I was referring to <-us> not /-us/, as I prefer to use <y> not <u> for /y/.
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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Zontas wrote:
Thry wrote:yea, Inversion is right, not -us, (-ous at most), see:
ὀκτώπους (oktōpous) m, ὀκτώπους f, ὀκτώπουν n; third declension; (oktōpous)

(5th BC Attic): IPA: /oktɔ͜ɔ́po͜os/

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I was referring to <-us> not /-us/, as I prefer to use <y> not <u> for /y/.
You now have less of a point than you did before...
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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Well of course you weren't, -/us/ didn't even exist back then*. The point being; -υς doesn't pluralize -οδες; -ους pluralizes -οδες; because it's a digraph for a different sound entirely so referring to a written form -υς just doesn't make sense, however you pronounce or picture it.

*back then meaning w/e stage in which you're referring to /y/.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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More precisely, the form is a result of cluster simplification in which the sequence /-ods/ was reduced to /-o:s/. The stem is underlyingly {oktopod-} in all forms. You see, it makes perfect sense.

Also zontas I don't know what the hell you are driveling about but I advise you do not do so any further.
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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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If I understand correctly, he's romanizing <ου> as <u> and not <ou> or <oy> or whatever.


Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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incidentally you are in exactly the same category
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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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People, the subject line says, "Quote Thread". I'm pretty sure the Pointless and Annoying Pedantic Debate Thread has always been in Ephemera.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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linguoboy wrote:People, the subject line says, "Quote Thread". I'm pretty sure the Pointless and Annoying Pedantic Debate Thread has always been in Ephemera.
No, every single thread on this forum has the Pointless and Annoyingly Pedantic Debate Thread as an assumed subtitle.
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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Nessari wrote:
linguoboy wrote:People, the subject line says, "Quote Thread". I'm pretty sure the Pointless and Annoying Pedantic Debate Thread has always been in Ephemera.
No, every single thread on this forum has the Pointless and Annoyingly Pedantic Debate Thread as an assumed subtitle.
It's not so much a Pedantic Debate Thread as a Pedantic Debate Fabric.


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Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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ObsequiousNewt wrote:If I understand correctly, he's romanizing <ου> as <u> and not <ou> or <oy> or whatever.
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linguoboy wrote:People, the subject line says, "Quote Thread". I'm pretty sure the Pointless and Annoying Pedantic Debate Thread has always been in Ephemera.
If we're expected to post quotes of the calliber of your last contribution, we might as well talk about something else indeed.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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I blame Zontas for starting this exchange, for not adding anything new on top of that, and for not knowing that word-final <-ους> is usually transcribed <-ous> and not <-us> on top of that (even though yes, <ου> is otherwise commonly rendered as <u> as in "Thucydides" and "Plutarch"--however, word-final <-us> implies <-ος> due to the common Latinization of Greek name endings). Shame on him.

I blame Inversion for not noticing this and saying "it did not have -us" when Zontas meant <-ους> and not <-ος>. Shame on him.

I blame Thry for further confusing matters saying Zontas meant <-υς> when he said <-us>. Shame on him.

I blame ObsequiousNewt for... actually, I don't see anything he should feel ashamed for. Good for him.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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o vos clarissimi Seraphim, quod agemusne sine vostris iudicationibus?

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Legion wrote:
linguoboy wrote:People, the subject line says, "Quote Thread". I'm pretty sure the Pointless and Annoying Pedantic Debate Thread has always been in Ephemera.
If we're expected to post quotes of the calliber of your last contribution, we might as well talk about something else indeed.
I'm sure you can come up with something better. So do that instead of posting (yet again) solely for the purpose of saying, "I think you suck".

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I reject the shame on me, because in either case zontas insinuated that it was some kind of paradigm ending you could expect the d from, which it isn't, also he generally abused terminology in that post so voilà le méchant.
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Split from the Quotes thread.

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THE VOCATIVE OF A LATIN OCTOPUS, OCTOPI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
except with a curious suffix -uk-. Whatever origin could it have?
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Speaking of biology terms... biologists love coining nouns ending in -ιον, but obnoxiously only mitochondrion is pluralized as "mitochondria". Google knows nothing of "viria", only pages and pages of "virions". It seems "virus" is forever doomed to be badly pluralized, no matter the form.

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Well, virus is already Latin and has no plural form (it means "poison"), and if it had one, it'd be vira (Greek has "iós").

Viria???? How about virionta? virion just has the Greek suffix -on "particle", as in "ion", added to a Latin root, so... "virions" is fine.

The real evil here is embryones.

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...who uses that? Spanish-language instances aren't allowed.
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Well in Spanish we do say virión so that points to the -on not being the 2nd declension neuter.

Oh, you mean the embriones thing. Idk, I didn't specify if it was a real or potential danger. Upon a quick google search, c. 10k ppl, though some may be already dead, take a look at the corrupt medieval Church:
1603: Sir Robert Cecil, 1st Earl of Saliſbury, Secret Correſpondence with King James, extract

If other embryones, which are yet informes, but yet dangerous, come any nearer to the likelihood of any formal ſhape, his Majeſty ſhall be advertiſed[.]
As long as we don't restore "embryon", the danger is there, you know. I CANT SLEEP.

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Re: The Official ZBB Quote Thread

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Serafín wrote:I blame ObsequiousNewt for... actually, I don't see anything he should feel ashamed for. Good for him.
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Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.

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