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So, where does PIE ablaut come from then, in your speculative PIE?


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And then in five years someone brings out a coherent correspondences list between Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Kartvelian.


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What about *gʰelunehₐ-, meaning 'lip'?


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I can't help wondering what actual professional linguists would make of this sort of discussion. It feels like we're doing someone else's work for them.

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I do know that 'stand' is a relic of it in Germanic. Only one I can think of, though.


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I don't know about frequency, but it's also assumed to occur in Greek, Sanskrit, Hittite, etc.
Just looking at Beekes, he mentions it explicitly for Greek "denamai", presumably from *deu2, Latin "nanciscor" vs Sanskrit 'nás'ati', Hittite "s'arnink" (vs Latin "sarcio"), Sanskrit "yunákti" (from *yugóm, 'yoke'), among others. And of course there are the Hittite productive (?) -nu- causative class, which are generally analysed as being from a nasal 'infix' plus a -u suffix.

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Is there any reason why *e *o couldn't have been [æ ɔ] or so? That would resolve the problem of there being no /a/ (Seri has /æ ɑ i o/) and answer the question of why so many IE langs have low vowel mergers of some sort.

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What are the main objections to Szemerényi's reconstruction of PIE with one laryngeal /h/, five full vowels, and voiceless aspirates?

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